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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Science & Technology Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion

    Thread: Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion


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    09-24-2011, 01:06 PM (This post was last modified: 09-24-2011, 01:54 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (09-24-2011, 07:51 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Keep in mind that neutrinos and photons are quite different in how they interact with the local environment. There is effectively more distance for travel when a photon has to propagate through material.

    I will have to review this as I don't recall off the top of my head how neutrinos (supposedly) propagate.
    zenmaster Wrote:Because it is the most simple.

    The "most simple" description of the function of the universe would be: Love. Which equation does "Love" fit into?

    Hatonn Wrote:There is a law within the density which you now know as the physical. This law is visible within the physical illusion as cause and effect. There is no action without a reaction. Nothing that happens has not been caused. That which you do is reflected in experience. This is karma.

    This is a law. The law does not become abrogated. There is a higher law, and this is the Law of Love. If you invoke this law, this law will dissolve the karma. Yet you invoke this through action. In meditation, you align yourself with all that there is. You have brought into your consciousness the Creator. Yet karma is that which is in the physical, and to dissolve karma, there must be action of a final kind which resolves the reaction. This action partakes of love, but love-in-action.

    According to my understanding, Einstein's theories require us to deduce some very NON-SIMPLE conclusions about the universe. To the point where Einstein himself was not really satisfied. General relativity still needs to be reconciled with quantum physics, as I am sure you well know.

    Also, there is currently no mathematical representation of consciousness in any theory of physics that I am aware. If light = consciousness, and that light/consciousness is something that entities can exchange information with, then scientists would really need to rethink everything they consider to be "physical law".

    zenmaster Wrote:We can and often do frame knowledge any way we want to feel justified in our desires. One such framing is the depiction of close mindedness in light of new data. When in fact those who came after are most of the time entirely dependent on those who came before.

    Pardon, but who is "we"? You and me? People in general? Or are you a scientist? If so, what kind? I am just trying to get a feel for where you are coming from.

    Scientists are supposed to be skeptical about new data that overturns previous theories. I understand this. I also observe many in the scientific arena being just as dogmatic as some religious fundamentalists. It is actually quite humorous to me, and ironic. Science and religion... unified by dogmatic thinking... the ultimate "security blanket" if you ask me.

    zenmaster Wrote:Many discoveries and current events have been selectively framed as being 'fitting for the times'. This is like the opposite of dogma: the unbridled use of the intuition, pareidolia, masking as open mindedness and insight. Grasping for such confirmations of bias tends to be a form of regressive coping behavior, like a security blanket.

    Are you also a psychologist? Because you may wish to take a look at the way you are painting others with broad brush strokes. Generalizing, using words like "unbridled", "masking", "grasping". Using technical terms rather than speaking in plain english. This is dissociative behavior, typically used when one would like to put some "distance" between themselves and another, as a result of feeling threatened or attacked.

    Confirmation bias works in all directions. In my particular case, I do not have any stake in the outcome being one way or another. I don't "need" neutrinos to behave a certain way. I wasn't "expecting" scientists to detect neutrinos traveling faster than the speed of light. So it is no skin off of my nose. I just think it is interesting.

    zenmaster Wrote:How would this prove that time is nothing more than a projection of the mind?
    Let's see.

    Special relativity postulates that there is no absolute frame of reference. I would conjecture that there IS an absolute frame of reference, and that frame of reference would be the Logos (consciousness/mind) in which we live, move, and have our being.

    Special relativity also postulates that the speed of light is the same relative to all frames of reference. Again, overlooking the special case of the observer being the Logos, who existed prior to the creation of light, which itself was birthed out of LOVE.

    These two postulates form the basis of the concept of mass-energy equivalence. This concept also postulates the speed of light in a "vacuum" which does not really exist. If consciousness/mind permeates the entire universe, then consciousness/mind is the medium through which light propagates.

    Since the principle of causality rests upon the acceptance of the "vacuum" as "nothingness"- if the "vacuum/nothingness" is a fabrication of the mind, then the mind's conception of causality is flawed and the only reason events APPEAR to have causality is because we are viewing events with our own limited mental faculties.

    Theoretical Breakthrough: Generating Matter and Antimatter from Nothing

    Quote:The scientists and engineers have developed new equations that show how a high-energy electron beam combined with an intense laser pulse could rip apart a vacuum into its fundamental matter and antimatter components, and set off a cascade of events that generates additional pairs of particles and antiparticles.

    IF a "vacuum" can be ripped apart into more fundamental components, and used to generate particles, THEN the common concept of a "vacuum" as "nothingness" is a fabrication of the mind. If there is no such thing as "nothingness" then any conception of time which is built up upon such a fabrication is an extension of that fabrication.


    Q'uo Wrote:We ask you to realize that we are speaking on the level of a causality that is far beyond the causality of worldly things.

    Quote:Questioner: Yes, I have a question. I would like to know if there is a vibrating vortex at the center of what we perceive to be a particle?

    We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. To respond to your query directly is almost impossible, for to us there is no particle involved. From our point of view we would say that the energies of space and time are mismatched in a certain way which causes the oscillation of which you have been speaking and creates the visible worlds or the manifested worlds. When the mismatch between space and time is won by time, then the inner planes or the unseen realms are created by this incredibly quick oscillation.

    However, my brother, to the best of our understanding there is no particle involved, no mass, but simply dynamic tension betwixt space and time as components of velocity.

    General relativity builds upon these conjectures by postulating various non-Euclidian geometries. These are anything but simple. So Occam would be rolling over in his grave with these.

    I could go on...



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    Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion - by Conifer16 - 09-22-2011, 02:01 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by CarlS - 09-22-2011, 03:20 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by zenmaster - 09-22-2011, 11:34 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by Conifer16 - 09-23-2011, 12:39 AM
    RE: Light speed. - by zenmaster - 09-23-2011, 08:00 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by Tenet Nosce - 09-23-2011, 08:10 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by Tenet Nosce - 09-23-2011, 02:26 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by zenmaster - 10-16-2011, 02:58 AM
    RE: Light speed. - by Conifer16 - 09-23-2011, 03:13 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by Tenet Nosce - 09-23-2011, 03:16 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by zenmaster - 09-23-2011, 08:12 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by Tenet Nosce - 09-24-2011, 02:50 AM
    RE: Light speed. - by zenmaster - 09-24-2011, 07:51 AM
    RE: Light speed. - by Tenet Nosce - 09-24-2011, 01:06 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by zenmaster - 09-25-2011, 10:20 AM
    RE: Light speed. - by Tenet Nosce - 09-25-2011, 11:51 AM
    RE: Light speed. - by zenmaster - 09-25-2011, 10:43 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by Tenet Nosce - 09-26-2011, 05:09 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by Tenet Nosce - 11-25-2011, 05:02 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by zenmaster - 11-26-2011, 02:37 AM
    RE: Light speed. - by Tenet Nosce - 12-11-2011, 03:02 PM
    RE: Light speed. - by zenmaster - 12-11-2011, 05:46 PM
    RE: Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion - by drifting pages - 09-24-2011, 08:31 AM
    RE: Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion - by zenmaster - 09-24-2011, 11:03 AM
    RE: Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion - by drifting pages - 09-25-2011, 04:15 AM
    RE: Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion - by JeiaRaManuk - 09-26-2011, 01:31 AM
    RE: Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion - by Tenet Nosce - 09-26-2011, 02:45 PM
    RE: Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion - by drifting pages - 09-27-2011, 05:03 AM
    RE: Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion - by zenmaster - 09-27-2011, 09:26 PM
    RE: Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion - by Tenet Nosce - 09-28-2011, 05:10 PM
    RE: Beyond Light Speed: A Tenet Nosce suggestion - by Conifer16 - 10-16-2011, 04:04 AM
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