09-26-2011, 05:09 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-26-2011, 05:54 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
(09-25-2011, 10:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Off topic somewhat, but fascinating due the notion of that there must be limited analogs of all 'logoic' principles (such as 'free will', space/time, 'mind', etc) existing in lower densities with respect to their more complex or further developed instantiations in higher densities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_theorem
It also fits into the philosophy of panexperientialism.
In which sense are you using the term instantiation?
This is interesting though... we know that 1D entities have no choice, but matter can and does tend to express itself in certain ways... so in some sense this is akin to the first distortion of consciousness. Radioactive decay is one example. Also periodicity of the elements can demonstrate this.
For example, the body needs iodine in order to operate the pineal and thyroid gland. If iodine is insufficient, these glands will begin to accumulate fluorine present in the water supply leading eventually to calcifications.
There was also some finding not too long ago about a totally unexpected observation of matter... meh I can't remember it I will fill this in when I find it.
EDIT: OK here is the article:
New Driving Force for Chemical Reactions
Quote:Quote:ScienceDaily (June 9, 2011) — New research just published in the journal Science by a team of chemists at the University of Georgia and colleagues in Germany shows for the first time that a mechanism called tunneling control may drive chemical reactions in directions unexpected from traditional theories.
Quote:The finding has the potential to change how scientists understand and devise reactions in everything from materials science to biochemistry.
Quote:The discovery was a complete surprise and came following the first successful isolation of a long-elusive molecule called methylhydroxycarbene by the research team. While the team was pleased that it had "trapped" the prized compound in solid argon through an extremely low-temperature experiment, they were surprised when it vanished within a few hours.
Quote:"What we found was that the change was being controlled by a process called quantum mechanical tunneling," said Allen, "and we found that tunneling can supersede the traditional chemical reactivity processes of kinetic and thermodynamic control. We weren't expecting this at all."
Quote:Moreover, said Allen, "the observed product of the reaction, acetaldehyde, is the least likely outcome among conceivable possibilities."
Quote:In quantum mechanics, particles can get to the other side of the barrier by tunneling through it, a process that seemingly requires imaginary velocities. In chemistry, tunneling is generally understood to provide secondary correction factors for the rates of chemical reactions but not to provide the predominant driving force.
Quote:"What we discovered here is that tunneling can dominate a reaction mechanism sufficiently to redirect the outcome away from traditional kinetic control. Tunneling can cause a reaction that does not have the lowest activation barriers to occur exclusively."
Matter does not have consciousness, but it does have identity. So it would seem to me that the 1D analog of free will would involve somehow the ability of matter to somehow deny its own identity, or appear to become something that it is not. What would that be? Maybe it has something to so with this tunneling phenomenon..?
EDIT: LOL! See I can't make this stuff up. I just went over to sciencedaily to try and track down that article and this is what I find:
Hints of Universal Behavior Seen in Exotic Three-Atom States
Quote:Quote:ScienceDaily (Sep. 23, 2011) — A novel type of inter-particle binding predicted in 1970 and observed for the first time in 2006, is forming the basis for an intriguing kind of ultracold quantum chemistry.
Quote:In the seventeenth century Isaac Newton derived the classical force laws used to calculate the force between two objects. Calculating the behavior of three-body groupings such as the Moon/Earth/Sun system was much harder; indeed Newton never succeeded.
Quote:Now, these researchers have extended their work and demonstrated that the "three-body parameter," used to describe how the three participating bodies interact, varies in a consistent way regardless of the atomic species used.
Quote:"None of the experts in three-body physics had expected this kind of universal behavior to show up in these 3-atom systems," Julienne said. "This behavior came as a big surprise." And the universality, in turn, might suggest the existence of some new kind of ultracold chemistry at work.
Quote:These trimers are quantum objects; they have no classical counterpart.
Quote:This kind of universality was totally unexpected.
Quote:"Now things have become reality, things we did not even dream about five years ago."
See... how is it that this "just so happens" to be on the front page of sciencedaily and it "just so happens" to be relevant to what I "just so happened" to be writing about? This kind of stuff "just so happens" to me all the time.
Are you saying this just some kind of delusion I am under due to my bias or...? I am just making things up and seeing significance where there is none? I am just "hoping" that the whole of physics, chemistry, and biology are going to be overturned so I just "see it happening" due to confirmation bias?? My mind is attempting to "make sense" or "discern a pattern" where there really is none? Or..?
