10-10-2011, 05:34 PM
(10-10-2011, 03:57 PM)Namaste Wrote:(10-09-2011, 03:49 PM)unity100 Wrote:(10-09-2011, 11:45 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The mind can be "set free". But freedom and opportunity are different things. Opportunity must be provided in order for that freedom to find use. This is an ongoing experiment where we can and do provide such opportunity to ourselves and other-selves. The "blame game" becomes ridiculous once it is known that the patterns which we create in time/space are of our own making ("reality" unfolds from what has been made possible, not from what was thought to be denied) and that, as J. Krishnamurti said, the individual and society are the same thing.
if everyone made their own reality, there would be no need for forgiveness or acceptance or control of others. you could just make up your own reality and live in it. in reality, there are needs for those things. so, it means we dont just make up our own reality.
Not necessarily - lessons and catalyst would remain valid. The evolution of the soul would still be the reason for experience.
Whether the other selves in one's perceived reality were individuals (as such), or (philosophical) zombies, one's thoughts, words and deeds would still incur karma and catalyst.
necessarily.
if there is no act done, there is no consequence involved.
'perception' does not factor into this. regardless of how you perceive the other entities, and to what degree, forgiveness would only be necessary in an environment in which you do not create your reality.
if you create your reality, things would happen exactly like you desired, and there would be no need to forgive anyone for things would not unfold in any way than you really desire. that would make not only forgiveness totally unnecessary, but also would remove it as a necessity for development.
you would just create your reality as you wanted it.
Quote:Bashar offers the notion that we do indeed create our own reality, and our beliefs shape it. This includes the shaping of the people we encounter, and their actions towards us. In an infinite universe, we choose (either consciously or subconsciously) which 'version' of that person we experience. However, they are doing the same, and in their experience, they could be choosing an entirely different version of you.
bashar is wrong then.
if you shape the people you encounter and their actions to 100%, then it means there is no sentient entity with own self-will in your reality. and therefore you dont need to forgive anyone, for noone can do anything that you dont want.
and if you dont shape the people you encounter and their actions to 100%, then it means you are not creating your reality - people are collectively creating the reality, and that means not everything is happening in the way you desire it to happen. and then the necessity for forgiveness comes.
Quote:Fascinating :¬)
more like 'much desired, but incorrect'.