10-11-2011, 11:18 AM
(10-10-2011, 10:38 PM)zenmaster Wrote: But I'm not implying a "separate" reality. What is viable from each "imagined" reality forms a "consensus"
that is most probably how it is. rather than imagined realities, the wills of entities form a consensus.
Quote:Lots of ways to depict the situation. However, as Ra said "The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception". The intuition is the interface to the unconscious mind. Using that faculty, we may begin to apprehend what is and may be, but until those vagaries are addressed with some thinking or feeling approach, all we have is impotent hand waving of some possibility.
one does not necessarily need to subscribe into a subset of societal mind in order to evade the vagaries of intuition. the mechanics of intuition, reason, should already be in place even without the society existing.
Quote:In a society, we gather because we have the maximum opportunity of learning something held in common.
the reason for socialization is probably much more simple - that the fragments desire to combine and merge into union.
Quote:There are stages of these memes, which are the subdensities.
maintained thought patterns can affect vibrations - but, i dont think that such thought patterns are responsible for creating subdensities. it is probably the vibration of the mind/spirit that determines the subdensity, and then the mind produces the behavior sets associated with that subdensity in whatever form they may be.
(10-11-2011, 07:06 AM)Namaste Wrote: Let me put it another way my friend - no one here is an authority on how this place works. We have the veil to thank for that. No one can tell another they are right, or wrong. We each identify with certain distortions, and base our lives around them.
no need to be an authority to see a contradiction in a proposed theory. if something conflicts, it cannot be real in a non-infinite subdensity continuum -> like the one we are living in.
Quote:The Creator is ineffable. Attempting to restrict how the Creator offers this experience through intellectual understanding of current concepts and paradigms is a personal, highly limited, distortion(s). There are countless examples of this through history. Countless!
believing 'the creator ineffable' does not change the fundamentals of existence. light will still travel in a straight line. with your proposition, it should be possible to live in existences in which light does not travel in straight line in OUR universe/reality. it isnt. this existence is built upon something called light traveling in a straight line. and everything else derives from it.
this exemplifies that there are common rules and laws that govern this existence so that an organized existence in which things can have meanings be possible. else, it would be impossible to perceive and make progress.
Quote:As an example, if Ra had mentioned that we phase between infinite parallel realities, choosing the other selves we experience (while retaining free will - as they are infinite versions of the same entity), we would not be having this conversation. You still couldn't prove it, but your beliefs would be different, based on another's influence.
ra says the more balanced an oversoul is, the less the need to experience parallel densities. that means, oversouls fragment to as much fragments as they need according to their balance -> NOT infinite fragments.
Quote:Hence wisdom - learning through experience - is far more valuable than intellectual understanding (from a Wanderers stand point). In my opinion, of course.
wisdom is not 'learning through experience', and there is no 'intellectual understanding' that is separate from cognitive power of mind. mind is mind everywhere. it is an archetype that existence in its base is founded upon. the central sun of this galaxy has it, the central sun of this universe has it. the first sun of all universes has it. there isnt a subset of mind you can dub 'intellectual'. thats a planet earth manufactured term.
Quote:Do you think Jesus, one of the greatest teachers of this planet, went around correcting people on their understandings of Cosmology and space/time and time/space?
actually he did. he went into jewish temple and kicked the tables down. which would amount to more than 'correcting' others on how they should perceive 'other selves' and 'creator' and experience it.
Quote:Not at all, he offered one lesson; love.
wrong, as described above.
Quote:Acceptance of another's truths and experience is key to a harmonious planet. It's not this or that, it's this and that.
if "another's truth" goes in lieu against the basics of how the universe works, proposing a contradiction to be accepted as 'truth', which in turn may bring more confusion in this veiled plane of 3d, you cannot 'accept' it.
and yes - it is 'this', or 'that' in regard to rules that govern existence -> as said, nomatter how you feel your 'truth' is in regard to this, light will still keep traveling in a straight line in this existence. noone's 'truth' will change it. follow similar spiritual laws that make an existence possible, like polarities, the properties of polarities and so on.
Quote:That's how peace and harmony works, dear brother.
no, thats how making-believe and denial works. you talk about a reality in which everything happens as you will, and then talk about forgiveness. that is not something workable. they cannot meld in the same pot. if everything happens as you please, there is no need to forgive anyone, for noone does anything that you do not particularly dislike, or dont desire, or find harmful to you. there is no point and logic to forgiving.
OR acceptance - for, if things happened exactly like you wanted them to happen, that means you dont need to accept anything - for, they are precisely as you wanted them to be in the first place.
Quote:Not everyone believing the same thing, but everyone accepting each other. It's a key to the progression of humanity, something which has held it back for untold centuries.
there is no relevance to what you say in above quote and the subject here. progress does not mean believing contradictions are possible in a 3d continuum. if so, then jump out of a window from 30th floor diving into the street below and just keep continuing living as if nothing happened.
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again, to summarize :
there is no need for forgiveness or acceptance in a reality in which everything happens as per your free will desires. in such a reality everything would happen and be like precisely as you willed, totally eliminating the need to forgive or accept because they are as you wanted them in the first place.
noone needs any authority or even any amount of spiritual information to conclude that. it is a simple contradiction. its no different than saying that you want freedom for everyone but enslave people, in appearance defying the mechanics of positive/negative.