10-31-2011, 10:57 PM
(10-31-2011, 08:06 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: No, that's not what I mean. Not just expression, but ability to feel emotion at all.
excuse me, but this is the point where discussing this with you becomes ridiculous.
you have just introduced a major, major differentiation into more than half of the bodies that the creatures on this planet inhabit.
there is no such exception was expressed in the material we are studying.
Quote:I have used that very same argument, to point out that, since we KNOW animals DO feel pain and DO fight being killed, we should not kill them.
I also said that if you feel you should take that even further to include plants, since they MIGHT also feel pain and wish to not be harvested, then that's great - go for it!
My only argument here is that, while the former is based on rock-solid facts, the latter is based on speculation. It's simply erroneous to say that it's been 'proven' that plants feel emotions, because it hasn't.
no, former is not based on 'rock solid facts'.
you see the animal and you interpret its reactions to be negative. the party you are opposing can easily argue that your interpretation is as good as their interpretation. it has also not been 'proven' that animals feel emotions too.