11-03-2011, 09:17 PM
(11-03-2011, 10:23 AM)Icaro Wrote:(11-03-2011, 06:16 AM)unity100 Wrote: elaborate the reality you are speaking of and i will reply.
I'm with you that there will be shifts in consciousness, changes in abilities, phenomenon, calls to service etc., but it will be gradual. We have lately been in a time of radical social change (there is congruency), but if in 5 years, say there is nothing other than steps towards transparency in politics and equality movements taking shape, what then? According to you, the harvest has to at least happen over a very short period of time. There is no room for 5, 10, or 15 year interpretations and modifications.
thats not according to me. that was what Ra did with fitting the harvest in a year's duration. and the other information regarding cosmic clocks, gateway openings and such.
harvest is an event that seems to happen in the blink of an eye. not so very different than opening the gateway to intelligent infinity while in incarnation. the impact however lasts long.
Quote:But more importantly, probably one of the most objective questions people can ask themselves, is how Ra can come and speak of prophecy? Describing the harvest as an end date scenario is a violation of free will. If it really was an "event" in the short-term, they would refuse to comment. Please explain how Ra, according to your interpretation, is allowed to violate free will.
that is wrong. violations of free will always kicked in in occasions that were to affect an individual's personal choices due to answer of the questions which were of personal nature. for things that relate to the spiritual facts, historical facts, even historical secrets that were non-personal, ra had had answered directly. even if the answers were very, very dangerous, like the ufo information they have given. that could have caused government sources to remove ll group from public. in a polite manner of speaking.
harvest information is another event that is independent of the desires and wills of entities on the planet, and it is cosmic/spiritual information. don asked many questions about it, and got many answers, nowhere any hesitations regarding free will was cited, all answered.
no entity is going to just qualify or unqualify for harvest, because s/he is aware of its date or coming. or qualify for it if given extra 10 years or in-qualify if it was 5 years early.
(11-03-2011, 08:50 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Whatever. We can ignore anything that's unimportant. You can run around telling everyone that their attitudes are changing according to your observation and people can SEE that happening and it's just as valuable to their beingness as it sounds. We can frame what we SEE in any manner we want, and yes it'll still be selectively depicted according to interpretation and belief, as it always w
i am not talking about attitudes. i am not talking about people's 'behavior' changing. i am talking about paranormal phenomenon. i have explicitly expressed it many times, yet you are, for some UNreason, continually revolving your thoughts back to 'changing attitudes'.
Quote:Not quite. "This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be molded by these new distortions." The vibrations create 4D matter, which is used for (harvested) 4D-vibrating bodies. So yes, it does have to do with harvest after all.
no, it doesnt. if it did, it should have happened in the first two cycles too. yet, it has not happened. it is NOT relevant to HARVEST. two harvests happened on this planet before any kind of 4d matter or 4d bodies being formed/created. it is relevant to transition to 4d society and plane, from 3d society and plane.
indeed it seems you have forgotten a lot about the harvest information. why not take time to refresh your memory, instead of talking about 'changing attitudes' and 'people making up excuses and perceptions to support their belief' ?