Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking

[yossarian]

Here's what I would say:

"Sorry you feel that way, I don't hate you, I feel warmly toward you. I hope you reconsider quitting the forum. When I made my comment I was presenting my own opinion about what you said and I didn't mean to insult you or batter you. What do you think about that? What part of what I said seemed hateful to you?"

So, I definitely believe in sticking by my opinions, but I don't think this requires being mean. I'd do my best to clear up any misunderstandings and to let you know that I don't hate you. If my attempts didn't work then I'd just say oh well and move on.

It's true that sometimes people are just going to be offended and it's entirely because of their own distortions and there's nothing people can do about it. I just don't think this is the case with unity. I think he could explain himself better and communicate more effectively so that people would be less offended and there would be fewer misunderstandings.

For the record, I absolutely agree that hiding your opinions/view/truths or lying about them is bad practice. I believe in tact, not lying.

All well and good, and that method seems to be a good way to prevent "unwanted" catalyst in another person, but perhaps now you see my point? You said:

The only part of communication that matters is how it is perceived.

Communication is not JUST about perception. If the only thing that mattered in communication were perception, then the fact that you didn't intend to insult me would mean nothing. The fact that I was insulted would be the only thing that mattered, and you would be a dastardly insulter.

Let me rephrase. If your purpose is to communicate, you should attempt to choose words that best create, in the mind of your audience, the correct perception. Your entire goal is to make them perceive the right thing.

Communication is nothing without an audience, and every message is intended for an audience, and the skill of a particular message is whether or not the audience perceives what you want them to perceive.

By following up with you I'm recognizing the failure of my initial message and trying again. I agree that intentions are very important, but what I mean is that your words should be selected ONLY on the basis of what they cause the audience to perceive, if you want to be an effective communicator.

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The Green vMeme (nothing really to do with heart-chakra 'green') is the local expression of the 6th subdensity here.

Funny you should say that because I was actually thinking it sounded a lot like what I would call "inverted green". It is like green ray energy turned inside out. Fear based love. Of course, part of the distortion is the denial that something such as fear based love actually exists.

Of course there is fear-based love. Love is the basis for attachment in the first place.

Many 'wanderers' or 'new-agers' are still centered at this level, still lost in inflated 'relativism'.

I guess that makes my path here somewhat unusual because I never passed through such a level. I suppose that is why I am resistant to the notion that it is necessary and/or inevitable.

The problem with linear depictions of spiritual growth processes is that they are wrong. Growth occurs in a spiral because that is the nature of growth. This spiraling nature is what allows for the possibility to jump past several levels at once when certain conditions are met.

No, it doesn't make your path unusual. You may want to look at Spiral Dynamics. We move through the subdensities in a spiral, but in cross-section it's a linear manner - and this linear progression is not necessarily in the scope of an individual lifetime. Our 'personalities' are geared towards some path of balancing which draws from one or more of these levels of awareness, as needed. Yes, we jump around depending on what aspect of our condition is called upon. We reach up and reach down. But each subdensity remains available for our mind to find some expression of a particular condition here. The lower related to survival, the higher related to 'being'. Most people are 'passing through' green vmeme all of the time, as it has a basis in archetype - it's a 'vibration' which is identified by values.

'Green' centering is still fear-based love, but it is the first level that recognizes the value of subjective or interior reality, which of course spawns relativism/pluralism. And that recognition, when new, tends to have a spiritual numinosity which makes it 'the reality' or 'the solution' - hence the narcissism of the 'progressives'.

Where do you get all this? And how do you know that we're in 6th subdensity?