In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

I'm really sorry, Monica. I feel like unity100 must feel sometimes

Nice to see some compassion directed at unity100!

because the only thing I can say is that you haven't followed the conversation at all. I am constantly retracing the steps only to be met with the same one liners you write.

I have been following the conversation, very closely. But you and I both know from experience that, try as we might, we don't understand each other very well.

I answered your question about cruelty to beings, and elaborate that you have a Personally subjective definition of what a being is. Then you ask me to define being! WTF?

Why do you say WTF? I was genuinely curious what your perception of a being was. Is it human only? animal? plants? bacteria? a blade of grass or the whole lawn? where does one being start and end?

It's easy to see that an animals is a being. Not so easy with plants or microbes.

Then you try to give examples of why plants are not beings, and then ironically say that meat eaters are the ones in denial are are justifying. That is rich.

As Diana said, and I agreed with, I do think meat-eaters are in denial.

Why? Because they continually gloss over the obvious suffering they are inflicting, and they continually make excuses for why contributing to that suffering is 'ok.'

Yet, these are people who are obviously pursuing a spiritual path.

Inflicting suffering on other beings is incompatible with a spiritual path.

Ergo, someone seeking a spiritual path, who continues to inflict suffering on other beings, must be in denial.

The only other explanation is that they don't care.

I don't think they don't care. I know these people do care. Thus, the only possible explanation left is denial.

It's simple logic. Either they don't care, or they're in denial. What other option is there?

But, I suppose the one who is actually in denial is the one who is blinded.

Well, that's what being in denial means. Blinded.

I have acknowledged that killing animals is nasty business. I also acknowledge that plants are beings too.

Which is why I asked for clarification. Is a lettuce leaf a being, or is only the whole head of lettuce a being? When I tear a lettuce leaf, it grows back. Animals don't grow back limbs. But plants do. If I take a cutting from an ivy plant and put it in the ground, is it a new being? If I cut a potato into 4 parts and plant them all, getting 4 new potato plants from 1 single potato, did that 1 being turn into 4? Which new potato plant is the original being?

I accept that I live in a universe pwhere eating them both is possible and necessary. It's not an ideal world, but we don't live in an ideal world.

That's the whole point, Monkey. Eating animals isn't necessary.

Eating plants of some sort IS necessary. But eating animals is NOT.

Aside from some rare instances due to extreme medical conditions, most people don't have to eat animals. It's simply not necessary. That has been irrefutably proven by science.

How can causing unnecessary cruelty and death to beings be justified?

@Diana, to answer your question that you directed to anyone, I would not expect to eat meat on a future planet of existence in which the entire planet was created specifically to not eat meat. Personally, I do not think refraining from this current planet's ways are what will create your hypothetical world, and I don't think Ra suggested it as the method to reach Fourth Density.

The method to reach 4D is love/compassion/forgiveness. How is it loving to support unnecessary cruelty?

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I am here discussing eating meat, attempting to make my views understood (else, why discuss?) Did you read the Ra material just to read it, or did you want to understand it? Should we just spew words at each other, "sharing," and not try to understand each other? I am not wanting agreement with anyone; I seek expansion of understanding/awareness, and I both want to give and receive in this regard.

Same here!

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i want your diet. i'm inclined to eat fruit, not veggies. although i love potatos and carrot mash. but aren't potatos and carrots sort of like fruit?

I'm going to start a thread entitled, What do Vegetarians Eat Anyway? whenever I get time.

Pickle's diet, and mine, would be considered hardcore. His is a lot more so than mine. I didn't start out that way, but I'm going in that direction.