In regards to eating meat

[3DMonkey]

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Lol. Did you just say "disagree" = "not love"? I said "hate" because that is my equivalent to "not love".

Perhaps your definition of hate is not as extreme as others'. Hate, to most, is a seething emotion.

So, I'm "not loving" you right now? Because I do disagree.

I guess if that's how you work. If you don't love me because you disagree then that's your choice. It's not how I work, and it isn't due to dishonesty.

You said "not love" = "disagree" when you said "It is possible to love somebody but not love their ways." and then said "You can disagree with an action and not hate it." So if disagreeing is not loving then perhaps you think I am not loving you. That's why I asked "So, I'm "not loving" you right now?"

I think if you feel that someone shouldn't be allowed to do something then you don't love them. They are the doer of what you disapprove of.

You seem to think it is persecution of a person and not protection of another person. It has nothing to do with persecuting a person. If someone could torture without another person being tortured, then go for it. I could care less. Indulge yourself in torture. But the fact that someone else has to be tortured means that I feel that action shouldn't be allowed. It has nothing to do with the fact that one person wants to do it, but rather that another person is being forced to participate in a situation they do no wish to be in.

Yes, I do. It is persecution of the torturer. I see no way around that.

There are two relationships in there, as far as I am concerned. One between me and perp, another between me and victim.

I would not choose to torture. If I saw someone being tortured, I would defend them. In all this doing, I do not love the torturer. That sounds ridiculous. I hate the bastard with my whole being (ask Norral about this ).

I see. If we are to look at this with a backdrop of the Ra material, this is a blockage of green ray. Universal love is universal. It does not stop at the torturer. If you don't subscribe to that idea, it's fine, but to me, this is green ray blockage. This is described in depth by Ra and Q'uo.

However, it is not because of these channeled messages that I feel love. It is something I understood before discovering Ra. I never felt like it was appropriate to hate a person because they chose to act a certain way. We all have to potential to do the most horrendous things. We all exist as a torturer in potentiation.

I think to not allow someone their choices/actions is to not accept them, and that is green ray blockage.

Here, I'm simply owning up to some personal STS nature. I find it dishonest to say I am loving while I am restraining.

I think you are disassociating your love for a victim to be love for his/her perpetrator. It's not love, it is control, which is not acceptance.

Now, taking it back to topic. If I put a mandate on meat eaters that I do not like the choices they make, I do not love them. No, I expect them to change and get on board MY ship before I love them. Because they eat animals....

Again, just because this is the way that YOU work doesn't mean it's the way EVERYONE works. You are projecting your own distortions on others. Just because others disagree with your choices does not mean they don't love you. You're not the one who gets to decide whether they love you or not. You can decide whether to accept that love, but the love is there.

Just because you personally cannot accept a person because you cannot accept their ways doesn't mean it is impossible for others. Monica loves you but does not love your choice to eat meat (nor mine for that matter). I love you but I do not love your choice to participate in systems which harm the Earth and its beings.

Just because you don't believe that it is love doesn't mean it isn't so. So, feel free to not feel the love, but it is there and always will be. That is the nature of universal love.

I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about polarization and metaphysical implications. I'm talking about the archetypal structures in play within every decision we make. People. People can and will do what they want.

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Again, you can't say you accept me without accepting what I do. What I do is who I am.

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To say, 'I'm a really nice guy in reality, I just can't stop abusing my wife' is just false. I'm not really a nice guy, I'd be an abuser. (I do not abuse my wife. As for me being a really nice guy... I don't know, lol)

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See? There's a heart. Undeniable proof that I love you!

See? You do accept my choices.