In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

I see a difference in that I see harvesting an animal that has been humanely raised near to you or lived in the wild nearby is preferable to buying a product that comes in a plastic container and is shipped from thousands of miles away.

I see a difference too. I elaborated on this at length months ago in this thread, in an exchange with abridgetoofar, in which I expressed appreciation for his role in helping to facilitate what I see as a necessary transition.

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It should read "if I declare eating meat is unacceptable to me, I do not love them".

Monkey, we went round and round on this before. Maybe you feel that way - you can't love someone who disagrees with you on anything - but good heavens, then that would mean you can't ever truly love anyone! Because every person on this planet will sometimes disagree with you or do something you don't like. Do you quit loving your wife or children every time they do something you don't like?

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Lol. Did you just say "disagree" = "not love"? I said "hate" because that is my equivalent to "not love".

Perhaps your definition of hate is not as extreme as others'. Hate, to most, is a seething emotion.

So, I'm "not loving" you right now? Because I do disagree.

I guess if that's how you work. If you don't love me because you disagree then that's your choice. It's not how I work, and it isn't due to dishonesty.

I think if you feel that someone shouldn't be allowed to do something then you don't love them. They are the doer of what you disapprove of.

You seem to think it is persecution of a person and not protection of another person. It has nothing to do with persecuting a person. If someone could torture without another person being tortured, then go for it. I could care less. Indulge yourself in torture. But the fact that someone else has to be tortured means that I feel that action shouldn't be allowed. It has nothing to do with the fact that one person wants to do it, but rather that another person is being forced to participate in a situation they do no wish to be in.

I would not choose to torture. If I saw someone being tortured, I would defend them. In all this doing, I do not love the torturer. That sounds ridiculous. I hate the bastard with my whole being (ask Norral about this ).

I see. If we are to look at this with a backdrop of the Ra material, this is a blockage of green ray. Universal love is universal. It does not stop at the torturer. If you don't subscribe to that idea, it's fine, but to me, this is green ray blockage. This is described in depth by Ra and Q'uo.

However, it is not because of these channeled messages that I feel love. It is something I understood before discovering Ra. I never felt like it was appropriate to hate a person because they chose to act a certain way. We all have to potential to do the most horrendous things. We all exist as a torturer in potentiation.

For the record, I love and accept Norral's expressions on these forums, but I do not choose to express myself nor feel the way Norral does. This does not mean that I hate Norral.

Now, taking it back to topic. If I put a mandate on meat eaters that I do not like the choices they make, I do not love them. No, I expect them to change and get on board MY ship before I love them. Because they eat animals....

Again, just because this is the way that YOU work doesn't mean it's the way EVERYONE works. You are projecting your own distortions on others. Just because others disagree with your choices does not mean they don't love you. You're not the one who gets to decide whether they love you or not. You can decide whether to accept that love, but the love is there.

Just because you personally cannot accept a person because you cannot accept their ways doesn't mean it is impossible for others. Monica loves you but does not love your choice to eat meat (nor mine for that matter). I love you but I do not love your choice to participate in systems which harm the Earth and its beings.

Just because you don't believe that it is love doesn't mean it isn't so. So, feel free to not feel the love, but it is there and always will be. That is the nature of universal love.



See? There's a heart. Undeniable proof that I love you!

I sure love reading abridgetoofar's posts.

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Again, you can't say you accept me without accepting what I do. What I do is who I am.

I can say that and I do say that. And it's true.

You might not accept it, but I know it's true because I'm the one doing it, not you.

So there.

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It is persecution of the torturer. I see no way around that

Not being allowed to persecute someone isn't persecution. It's restraint, but it isn't persecution.

So there is a simple way around that: Stopping persecution trumps stopping restraint.