Is all the talk of "activation" just bullshit to get you to look outside yourself?

[zenmaster]

I think my misunderstanding was with assuming that the idea of some stage of wholeness would have an according level of acceptance/acknowledgment of the wholeness and hence each distortion of that. I suppose then that the idea of it is just the framework and distortions are only removed when the idea is lived and that wholeness becomes real- in that you are now more truly accommodating of each of the possible distortion of that level.

Yes, the less distorted, the more accommodating or accepting.

If we take the example of loving without expectation of return under e cases maybe that will make things clearer.

Case 1:

Let's say that here you start with some idea of wholeness, specifically that you are self-subsistent emotionally and that you are able to give love freely.

Some situation occurs and you feel the other person didn't reciprocate your good will and are upset by it. Something like that. I think it's possible to have the idea and still have these emotions triggered in you. I thought that this was what you were saying earlier- that just idea (now making real in part your potential wholeness) would cancel out any catalyst. I guess then that as long the unpleasant feeling (catalyst) persists then you have to acknowledge that you missed some aspect of being whole and capture that in some (new or extended) idea of yourself. Is that more along the lines of what you were trying to say?

Instead of some idea of wholeness, I'd say some degree of distortion. There is no 'idea' neccessary. An idea is probably what caused the emotional reaction. The idea then needs to be examined.

Case 2:

Same situation occurs and you interpret that feeling of unreciprocated offering that you have some need for something others have that you don't see that you have or can give yourself or just some recognition of yourself that you feel need validation by others. So then you see that you are less than whole in some way and try look for what is missing. When you find that antidote to the above needs (antidote I imagine will capture some form of wholeness) you accept that new found wholeness of yourself. Acknowledge that extension. And so.. balance yourself by balancing the catalyst. Is this case more what you were saying?

Basically, the reason for the need for validation or regonition, in the first place, was due to lack of acknowledgement of some aspect of self ("self"="other self"="universe"). Whatever it is you can do to bring that mechanism of abandonment to your conscious awareness and then to acknowledge it, creates the conditions for acceptance. That acceptance is the removal of distortion. That's the 'balancing'. It takes an act of will and some degree of honesty, because you are forging a new way.

It could be both, hehe, in which I'll try and see how the division is artificial..

The challenge is see and experience is that I can see where I'm not able in certain ways resulting in failures of different kinds and so I know that I'm missing some piece of myself but it's very difficult to get to the idea that let's me get past the limited/partial character.

It's not a challenge, it's *the* challenge - that's whole purpose of "3D". A person can go through life ignoring the constant reminders of discomfort from their lack of acceptance, or attempt to do something about it. The more you attempt to do it, the easier it gets. Ra recommends understanding how the mind works, followed by the body.

The bridge between where I am and the more complete being eludes me. For instance the difference in disposition and productivity between an ENTJ and an ENTP, say. I don't yet have the 'tool' or whatever it is that will let me have some of the ENTJ characteristics. So while I see that there's some wholeness i don't have and have some idea of what that wholeness entails the catalyst doesn't help.

You can't have an idea of what the wholeness entails - that's a "beyond the veil" thing. And even then (say in time/space) is subject to the limitations of all prior experience up to that point.

You are already whole, right now, in potential - but that is your "built-in" guide. When circumstances have some catalyst hit you and you have a certain feeling or reaction, that quality of that reaction is 100% dependent upon the distortions between that fully actualized potential and where you are "at". It is a fool-proof system. What you are most attracted to or dissassified with or whatever, always holds the most pertinent or relevant learning and balancing potential to your "highest good". You can always trust that further balance will occur when addressing something you don't feel congruent with.

If you want to improve your evaluation tools, one of the best things you can do is work on developing your secondary function. When doing that you sort of have an extra discernment aid or BS detector. You will more readily recognize how and why things work the way they do (for you anyway).