In regards to eating meat

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I don't think 4D entities eat the bloody flesh of still-living animals. Somehow I can't quite picture that! So for the food to be living, it must be plant.

Snails? Oysters? American Indians supposedly ate the hearts out of freshly-killed game.

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The catalyst itself - the cruel living conditions - are what triggers the self-awareness in cows and chickens.

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To miss the potential of extreme suffering to awaken sentience, is to miss the point of catalyst, rendering the suffering even more abhorrent because it's without any purpose at all.

OK, I'm starting to see where you're coming from. It's possible, but I think it's unlikely. Green-ray love is what individuates pets. I doubt that red-ray survival needs would cause second-density entities to move towards third density.

I have repeatedly stated that eventually, we wouldn't be eating plants either, but that we have to start someplace.

Right. You think the place to start is not eating animals. I think it's to recognize and honor the sacrifice that the food is offering to you. I think a lettuce or a carrot is sacrificing just as completely as a cow or a pig.

I still don't get what the algae has to do with your point. Sorry, I guess I still don't get your point! Wild bluegreen algae from Klamath Lake is the single most sustainable food on the planet. Bar none. There just isn't any comparison.

Sustainable food doesn't need to be packaged and shipped thousands of miles. It's grown and consumed locally.

Regarding compassion for plants and animals -- I don't see why we can't have both.

Of course! Why does it seem you think I think otherwise?

Because you're OK with killing plants to eat them but you think compassion for animals requires not killing them.

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I would add that, since this is the density of Choice, allowing an STS action to take place, when we have the ability to stop it, is to polarize STS.

Not necessarily. Ra said that our lessons at this time involve the balance between love and wisdom. It would depend why one allowed the STS action to take place.

(Replying generally and not in the context of this thread, where you may be implying that allowing the butchering of animals is STS.)