In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

I said 4D entities.

Right. That's what I was referring to. You said you thought living foodstuffs had to be plants. It could be animals.

Are you proposing that an entity who has graduated to 4D STO would be capable of eating an animal alive, inflicting torture on that animal, overcoming the animal's will to live by overpowering it and eating its body parts...while it's still alive??

Respectfully, I am incredulous.

Hmm. Maybe I chose the wrong word, but I don't think you answered the heart of what I was getting at. Cows, pigs, lettuce, carrots -- they've all given their bodies for our nourishment. Honoring that gift is what I'm suggesting.

I disagree. Cows, pigs, and chickens haven't given their bodies. Their bodies were forcibly taken.

It's stealing. There is no gift giving there.

As Austin noted, it does, actually. A product that relies on the petroleum industry for transportation over long distances is less sustainable than one grown in one's own backyard.

Not according to the dictionary definition.

Not caring about the suffering of others...lusting for the taste of plant flesh...Just what are the reasons for eating plants, especially those raised in factory farms?

That's not a fair response. You know that vegetarians do care...that's why we aren't eating animals. It's inaccurate and unfair to accuse vegetarians of not caring.

I've repeatedly stated that we must eat something, and if we want to avoid killing plants, then the solution is to quit feeding plants to animals and then eating the animals.

There is no lust for plants, except maybe for fruit. Yeah, I admit, I lust after a ripe, luscious strawberry! But rice and beans? Carrots? Nah, no lust there. We eat those because they nourish us, and we have to eat something.

That's not even taking into consideration all the many differences between plants and animals, that have been pointed out.

There is no comparing lust for animal flesh and consuming plants in order to survive.

People don't eat meat to survive. They eat it because they want it.

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..lusting for the taste of plant flesh

Can you picture a skinny vegan addict sitting in front of a tv all day with a huge bag of......carrots?

Exactly! No one ever binges out on carrots and celery. Just doesn't happen.

So much for the lusting.

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Snails? Oysters? American Indians supposedly ate the hearts out of freshly-killed game.

Anyone who eats a snail or oyster alive, is engaging in cruelty. Do you really think that's what Ra meant by living foodstuffs?

Not to mention, that a freshly-killed deer is no longer living.

+ Native Americans were/are 3D, not 4D.