In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

If grass is individuated, then how many entities are in a lawn? Does it writhe in pain when you mow your lawn? If so, isn't that a very cruel design? A wild deer has a good life until the wolf kills it. But what sort of Creator would design a planet in which the entire plant kingdom, which is being torn apart by higher beings on a daily basis, lives in constant pain?

As matter, there is somewhat of a being "behind" each blade of grass.

Is each blade of grass itself an individual being? no.

A tree is a good representation of an individual entity. It has quite a long time to develop a form of awareness.

Exactly.

In the animal world we can see a difference in awareness depending on the normal lifespan of the animal. This seems somewhat applicable to the plant world also.

Apparently so.

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Your body makes those kinds of decisions all the time. What would you say of a body killing microbes- is that a lack of compassion?

That would be attributing a function of mind (compassion) to the physical vehicle. The body isn't capable of compassion. That's a mind function.

Anyway, the body isn't doing it intentionally. It's how the body was designed. And we didn't design it.

I have wondered if maybe microbes are entities in some other octave. I bounded it off unity100 one time and he said no. But since I believe in overlapping realities, I still wonder...

When we wash our hands, or our bodies, or our kitchens, or anything else, we know full well that we are killing microbes. Also, I don't see any advocates for "cancer cells' rights". Don't cancer cells have a right to live too?

This is getting rather absurd, dontcha think?

Sidebar item... but you've mentioned prions a few times. I suspect those individuals have suffered some sort of breakdown in the blood-brain barrier. Otherwise, I wouldn't expect prions to pass.

Sidebar quick reply: Many things are known to cross the blood-brain barrier. Some good, some bad.

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I'm curious why no one has commented on the data I posted in #1449 and 1451.

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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but with the 2D entity, there is literally "no one home" - there is no subjective experience when there is no reflective subject. The subject and object are one in the same - the pattern that the 2D mind holds is oriented towards fulfilling a program of growth and reproduction. I think a lot of these anthropomorphic attributions with regards to how such plants and animals process sensation are grossly misplaced. I guess it is unfathomable that life could exist which is not self-aware, but all of 2D falls into this category.

What you just said is completely counter to what Ra has told us.

According to Ra, the criteria for graduating to 3D is self-awareness, and Ra even mentioned Carla's cat as being nearly ready for graduation to 3D. This disproves the idea that there is 'no one home.'

And, anyone who's ever had a dog, cat, horse, or even cow or pig, knows full well that there is 'someone home.'

What you described applies to early 2D (plants, presumably), but not to later 2D. (I thought that's what you meant, until I read your words "all of 2D") The question we're all trying to figure out is, at what point does self-awareness occur. It's that middle point that is elusive.

Also, killing off the higher, more socially capable, 2D life forms such as apes (due to deforestation and mining) or dolphins (fishing/pollution) and increasing the pet experience instead is likely the cause of a lot of newcomer 3D confusion here.

Dolphines are 3D, not 2.

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It would not seem logical that a microbe would be individuated, as so many are killed constantly just by normal and natural means.

Substitute 'carrot' or any other plant (except maybe tree) and see how that fits:

It would not seem logical that a carrot/lettuce/grass would be individuated, as so many are killed constantly just by normal and natural means.