(11-21-2011, 01:18 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Self-awareness comes from the spirit complex which needs a mind/body complex capable with suitable capabilities. Ra said something like a few months after a human body is formed there could be such an investment.
I'm not sure which quote you're referring to, but from what you just said, that's referring to the spirit complex inhabiting the body, not the entity developing self-awareness for the very first time.
If Ra had meant that, then that would mean an entity starts over with each incarnation.
I'm referring to the entity developing self-awareness, as an individuated entity, not an already individuated entity inhabiting a physical vehicle.
(11-21-2011, 01:18 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Dolphins are 2D entities, yes.
"20.4 Questioner: Then can you give me an example of an entity in third density that was just previously a second-density entity? What type of entity do they become here?
Ra: I am Ra. As a second-density entity returns as third-density for the beginning of this process of learning, the entity is equipped with the lowest, if you will so call these vibrational distortions, forms of third-density consciousness; that is, equipped with self-consciousness."
"20.5 Questioner: This would be a human in our form then who would be beginning the understandings of third density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct."
I believe the above unequivocally addresses both questions.
Not for me, not at all. That quote doesn't even mention dolphins at all. If you mean because Don asked "this would be a human" yes that is correct, but that doesn't mean dolphins aren't also 3D.
a=b doesn't necessarily mean a not = c.
In addition, Q'uo has stated dolphins are 3D.
And I have met dolphins. Based on my experience with them, I'd say they are at least 3D, if not higher. They're more advanced than we are. Swimming with wild dolphins was like being in the presence of a master. It took a month to process the experience.
(11-21-2011, 01:32 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: To reiterate from a conversation from long ago, I also see the Ra material as obviously saying that an entity graduates 2D once the spark of self-awareness is obtained. The yellow-ray body is what makes this self-awareness possible.
By "once" do you mean in an instant? Then why are my dogs and cats still with me? They've been self-aware for many years.
Humans have a criteria for graduating to 4D: 51% STO as a minimum. Yet, many humans are well over that threshold, and are still here, shining their light. They didn't graduate instantly once the minimum threshold was reached.
(11-21-2011, 01:32 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Animals may have different faculties of awareness and psychology that we can relate to, since we were once (or still are) animals. I believe it's this relation which causes a psychological turn from the killing of animals in a person. We can't relate to plants the way we can relate to animals. I whole-heartedly feel that this psychological association does not mean that it is more right, moral, or spiritually aware to kill a plant over an animal.
I would be interested in your answers to the many questions I've asked over the past weeks, if you care to address them.