(11-21-2011, 12:37 AM)zenmaster Wrote: No, you are correct. When people become attached to an idea (due to, ironically, non-acceptance) they tend to become confused easily.
Ironically, this applies to yourself :¬)
I do accept the validity of anyone's opinion, including yours, and am merely reflecting back to you your inclination to do otherwise, and judge the actions of another.
Quote:Here's a timely clip about the "pre-trans fallacy" where "pre-conventional" thinking is confused with "post-conventional". i.e. the "magical thinking" being appealed to in this show is much along the same lines as other hyper-intuitive nonsense such as "What the Bleep" and "The Secret".
"It is difficult to learn alone for there is a built-in handicap, at once the great virtue and the great handicap of third density. That is the rational/intuitive mind."
"In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception. As you may see, these two types of brain structure [rational/intuitive] need to be balanced in order that the net sum of experiential catalyst will be polarization and illumination"
With these videos, we have the a gross imbalance between the intuition and rational mind. (With the rational mind being thrown away) Basically, what's being exploited are the many who happen to hold sympathy for the higher or mystical states (post-conventional) but whom confuse pre-rational (pre-conventional) states with them: http://www.praetrans.com/en/ptf.html
Pretty much sums it up:
"Many of the elevationist movements, alas, are not beyond reason but beneath it. They think they are, and they announce themselves to be, climbing the Mountain of Truth; whereas, it seems to me, they have merely slipped and fallen and are sliding rapidly down it, and the exhilarating rush of skidding uncontrollably down evolution's slope they call "following your bliss." As the earth comes rushing up at them at terminal velocity, they are bold enough to offer this collision course with ground zero as a new paradigm for the coming world transformation, and they feel oh-so-sorry for those who watch their coming crash with the same fascination as one watches a twenty-car pileup on the highway, and they sadly nod as we decline to join in that particular adventure. True spiritual bliss, in infinite measure, lies up that hill, not down it."
I think you're confusing discernment (an intellectual process) with true intuition (a knowing).
The above quotes, and the video you presented, like all, are observations from a specific point of view, with specific experience, distortions and biases. You resonate with them and they meet your criteria of what is correct. They pass your discernment filter which is based upon your own experience and state of being.
But, for those who have experienced concepts which are labeled pre-conventional, they are not that, at all. They are just as real any any 'proven' concept, current, post or otherwise.
I hold a Masters degree in Advanced Computer Science, and very much value rational thought, discernment and logical thinking. I am also a very intuitive person, and have learned to follow my heart. I very much value guidance from levels of intelligence I may not be consciously aware of.
One of my closets friends has a PhD in Quantum Physics. He is incredibly intelligent, and also values both the logical and intuitive aspects of consciousness. It's called balancing the hemispheres, integrating the sacred male and female aspects of consciousness.
Both of us, at the same time, were starting to learn to trust our higher guidance in favour of planning our futures with rational and logical thought. We let go of control.
We did this as we both had dreams of running our own businesses, both based upon creative work (photography for myself, music production for my friend). We listened to hours of Abraham and Bashar, especially regarding the Law of Attraction.
We followed their advice, and within one year, we were both working professionally in our dream jobs. We planned nothing, we attempted to control nothing. We merely put into practice the simple, yet exceedingly powerful teachings from both channeled entities.
This 'nonsense', as you call it, has proved far more beneficial than anything logical we attempted beforehand.
I will not expect you to understand or accept this at a deep level as you have not experienced it for yourself. You can offer intellectual judgement, but you will never know until you experience it yourself.
This is why I'm repeatedly saying on this forum, wisdom through experience is far more valuable than intellectual understanding. You know from your own experience, rather than believing in the words of another. That truth remains eternal, regardless of any levels of intellectual understanding one applies to it in order to understand it, or how much another attempts to ridicule or deny it's validity/usefulness.