In regards to eating meat

[Bring4th_Austin]

By "once" do you mean in an instant? Then why are my dogs and cats still with me? They've been self-aware for many years.

After the incarnation in which they have reached that point.

Then you and I have a very, very different understanding about the process of graduation to higher densities.

Unity100 and I had a conversation about this. His view was similar to yours, in that a single spark of the required aspect had to be reached, and then the entity immediately graduated.

It's in the material...Gandalf could have graduated or chosen to return to stay with the L/L crew. It was even Ra's suggestion to Gandalf that he graduate instead of reincarnate.

I find nothing in the material or any reason to think that once an entity gains awareness, it would have any reason to return to 2D except for the single example we are given, that is Gandalf's choice to either graduate or stay with the one's who loved him.

Applied to 3D graduating to 4D, this would mean that as soon as any human reached the threshold of 51%, they could leave this density and graduate.

Again, graduation is different for every density. Ra says that 4D entities can be harvested as soon as they reach harvestability. 3D harvest cannot be used as a comparison for all harvest.

I strongly disagreed. Just by looking around I can plainly see that many, many humans exhibit strong qualities of love and compassion, here in 3D.

Because many many humans incarnated today were on the threshold of harvestability already, or are Wanderers, or already harvested beings from other planets.

It is the same with 2D graduating to 3D. Simple observation tells me that some of my pets are more self-aware than others. But all are self-aware to some extent. It's unreasonable to me to think that a 2D entity would graduate to 3D after only a single lifetime of developing a spark of self-awareness.

What you observe to be self-aware is not what Ra considers to be self-aware. If we discovered a self-aware dog or cat based on Ra's definition and modern science's ability to discern which beings are self-aware, it would be huge HUGE news.

And I'm not sure what's so unreasonable to think that an entity obtaining the spark of awareness of self would then be qualified for 3D incarnation. That seems completely reasonable to me. They've spent their entire 2D existence striving for that point.

If that were true, then that is all the more reason to treat those cows and chickens with compassion. They are being cruelly treated and brutally slaughtered by the billions. Such trauma is surely triggering the spark of self-awareness, as any intense emotion can do. If those billions of cows and chickens are now ready to graduate to 3D, then I shudder to think of what kind of horrible, barbaric planet they will be inhabiting!

Who said they were ready to graduate? Ra clearly points out that being enspirited with love is the most common way for a 2D entity to reach awareness of self and mentions absolutely nothing about trauma doing the same thing. That would be an assumption.

It's your own supposition that the chickens and cows are ready to graduate, and I'm not sure where it comes from.

What we know about the process of karma would suggest that an entity who developed self-awareness via trauma as a chicken, might attract to itself several lifetimes as a feral dog, abused and beaten, until some human finally shows compassion on him and rehabilitates him with love.

Again, why are you assuming that trauma sparks self-awareness? Ra doesn't mention this at all and it doesn't make any sense to me.

We have a single example of an entity having the possibility of returning to 2D incarnation after the point had been reached, and that is to be with the persons who it shared love with. This can't be extended to animals who have not already been enspirited by love being shared.

I disagree with your interpretation. As I mentioned before, if being drawn out by love were the only way to develop self-awareness, then what is the point of 2D life at all?

It's not the only way to reach self-awareness. Don and Ra talked about this:

14.2 Questioner: When this Earth was second-density, how did the second-density beings on it become so invested?
Ra: I am Ra. There was not this type of investment as spoken but the simple third-density investment which is the line of spiraling light calling distortion upward from density to density. The process takes longer when there is no investment made by incarnate third-density beings.

It is the nature of all beings to strive upwards. Even plants. Ra even uses plants as the prime example of this.

13.18. ..."This movement is the characteristic of second density, the striving towards light and growth."

Notice Ra didn't exclude any 2D beings. The characteristic of ALL of second density is the striving towards light and growth, including lettuce, carrots, beets, aphids, cows, chickens, and monkeys.

As a second-density entity returns as third-density for the beginning of this process of learning, the entity is equipped with the lowest, if you will so call these vibrational distortions, forms of third-density consciousness; that is, equipped with self-consciousness.

The lowest form of self-awareness is held by a new 3rd density entity. Were there lower forms of self-awareness to be held by 2D entities, Ra would not call this the lowest. Ra also very clearly equates "third-density consciousness" with "self-consciousness."

This is a relative term. It could be said that 51% green is the lowest form of love.

A relative term would be "lower." Lowest is a base-point. There's no other way to interpret "lowest" except for it doesn't get lower. That's the definition of lowest.

I read that as referring to the experience of a newly awakened 3D entity.

"As a second-density entity returns as third-density for the beginning of this process of learning"

Ra also describes what is required for self-awareness in 19.10:

In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. This was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results.

Thank you for that quote! This seems to support my view that animals are able to develop self-awareness, but plants generally aren't (again, excepting trees).

Could you explain that? Why would this exclude plants except trees? Trees and other plants have the exact same faculties of awareness. And Ra never excluded all plants excepting trees. A lettuce plant has the same awareness as a tree. They have the same methods of survival, reproduction, and existence. Your logic is confusing.

It's well established that animals can think. Yes, even cows and chickens. Some months back, I posted some links to studies showing that cows and chickens are far more intelligent than previously thought. Even cows have been known to think independently!

It's also well established that these animals do not think abstractly and do not have even the lowest form of self-awareness according to modern science which has the same definition of self-awareness as Ra. These things can be tested and proven. Observing an animal and relating to it psychologically does not mean that it is thinking abstractly or has any trait indicative of what Ra considers self-awareness.

And to put these animals which show no signs of abstract thought above plants in terms of spiritual awareness would be folly. Again, just because we can relate to their faculties of awareness doesn't mean that plants do not exist vibrating in the same energy centers.

41.14 Questioner: Could you tell me the simplest and first entity to have both orange and yellow ray energy centers?
Ra: I am Ra. Upon your planetary sphere those having the first yellow ray experiences are those of animal and vegetable natures which find the necessity for reproduction by bisexual techniques or who find it necessary to depend in some way upon otherselves for survival and growth.

Both plants AND animals which rely on bisexual reproduction have activated yellow ray energy centers, placing them in the same category of spiritual awareness. Not being able to relate to the plant's awareness is not a reason to find them more suitable for consumption in my eyes.