In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

So does the cow's. The cow is not its' body, as neither are humans their bodies. Didn't the cow's mind/spirit complex know what it was getting itself into when it came to earth? Didn't it have a choice whether or not to be here/now? Didn't it have a choice whether to be a cow on a Texas ranch rather than any of the other trillions of animals that are not slaughtered for food? Is the cow here against their will?

That question has been raised many times in this thread. Of course, on some level, yes it did, just as the human victim of violence also chose to be a victim. However I don't see anyone justifying participating in violence to humans just because the victim's Higher Self chose that experience.

Now why would the sub-Logos have created a world where we cannot avoid doing something "bad"?

Maybe because it's not bad. Not bad to kill microbes.

But we can avoid killing animals.

Eh? I have a friend who works a slaughterhouse. I am quite sure he makes the 51% grade.

You have taken my statement out of context. I never said all slaughterhouse workers were STS. If I remember correctly I was referring to an obviously STS entity inflicting violence on humans.

When the soul allows a human to die in a gory car crash, do we declare the soul to be "not compassionate"? According to your logic (it seems) if the soul did nothing to prevent the death of the body, then it is STS? Or...?

Tenet, that's quite a stretch from what I actually said!

I never said anything about the soul/Higher Self. I was referring only to us, here in 3D, and what we can choose to do or not do.

Again, we can't control the killing of bugs and microbes (unless we're spraying insecticides of course). But we can control the unnecessary suffering of animals.

Whomever said that positive change results from more control? Actually, hasn't history proven this methodology ineffective?

I wasn't referring to control as in the STS controlling and manipulating of others.

I was referring to simple free will choice.

We cannot totally avoid the killing of bugs and microbes, no matter what we choose. As Diana said, our intentions can reduce the killing, but we still breathe in microbes, so it's simply impossible to totally avoid it.

In contrast, we have the power to choose to avoid contributing to the cruelty to animals. We can do that. So why not do it?

We can't do everything. Why not do what we can?

For reals? Seriously, I had always assumed that the prayers and love were primarily intended toward the animal. People are absurd.

That's not the impression I got from many of the comments on this thread.

And even if some did intend the prayers to be for the animal, how does that work again? Hunt down an animal, ignore its cries of pain and the terror in its eyes, and then just say a prayer for it afterwards? When the killing wasn't necessary? A beautiful creature shot down for...what?

You forgot the third option. Many humans would consider it a compassionate act to kill the dog. Just sayin- whomever said death is "not compassionate"?

That would depend on the severity of its injuries. Sometimes it is indeed a compassionate act to end the animal's life because it is in extreme pain and there is no hope for healing.

But oftentimes, people put a bullet to its head or have it euthanized because it's easier.

At any rate, killing an animal out of mercy has no relevance to animals slaughtered for meat, because they are only miserable because humans made them miserable. Raising animals in the cruel conditions of factory farms, inflicting misery on them day after day after day, and then finally killing it...that's not an act of compassion.

The same one with all of the humans who need to repeat 3D? They will need some animals over there too, right? What do you suppose would constitute a selection process? Forced? Volunteer?

Humans have the capacity to reason. Animals don't. I surmise that animals who were catapulted into self-awareness by trauma may indeed reincarnate into a very dark, STS environment, for the simple reason that their state of extreme pain and terror might attract them to such a place.

Humans, on the other hand, might avoid such a fate because their capacity for free will is better developed.

I admit this is speculation on my part...but still... what if it's true? Very disconcerting to think about.

Maybe we are living on that barbaric world right now? But seriously, I am not totally following your logic here. If a human is murdered, would they be sent back to a more barbaric world?

Depends on how the human chooses to respond to catalyst. An newly awakened 3D entity may likely respond in a very primal way...with more violence fueled by fear.

---

By the way I'm surprised no one has commented on the anatomically correct carrot.

Wait! Just kidding. Please don't!