11-28-2011, 10:36 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-28-2011, 10:40 PM by SomaticDreams.)
(11-28-2011, 09:55 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(11-28-2011, 09:17 AM)Namaste Wrote: 'Currently untrue' is wholly subjective, based on one's own experience. One cannot point at technology, and even 'current' ideas and pronounce it to be true or untrue, as doing so implies one is an authority of knowledge/wisdom; omniscient. Much could already exist and yet not be seen by the majority of the population.I don't think you're talking about the same thing I am. The circle, the toroid, the spiral, phi, pi, fibonacci sequence, golden mean, tetrahedrons, pyramids, etc. being held up as the 'solution to our energy problems', with no cogent research work, is BS - plain and simple. A possibility is just that, a possibility, not a solution - not something withheld, not something that is the key to "true power and magnificance", it's not something which, being absent or being withheld somehow has "blinded us to our brilliance". Why frame it that way? To make what follows more compelling. And what follows is "dressed" with music, animations, testimonies, and other ultimately hollow contexts which are all connected, through innuendo and free-association, to disparate themes of transcendence which serve as examples of the power of the idea. Through such association, the libido is stirred and, imaginatively, we "think" there is more to it (i.e. practicality) than there actually is.
On another note, as part of their collection of transcendence themes, they showed an ice crystal orbiting with the space shuttle or a balloon, as examples of historical UFO encounters. Do you simply "forgive" that as artistic license, or do you say "well, sure but they're 'on a roll', it's fine if the net sum is that they 'mean well'", or do you say that's the means justifying the ends and therefore wrong? Look, when someone resorts to that type of persuasion, they have a negatively distorted agenda - in the sense of promoting misdirection and confusion. I personally don't think they know any better, so it's pretty much relegated to "entertainment" for the a fantasy-starved intuition.
Yes, the toroid is one of the well-known, fundamental patterns we find in the natural world. But if you suggest that it's the key to free energy, that a "vision" has impressed such an idea, then OK, now back it up. Otherwise, what ground-work or even insight is being offered/revealed for anyone to make use of?
I've watched the film, but had to end at the orgiastic ending of an "Ideal World". It was too much, but I certainly gave the film a chance.
I would add more to this conversation, but I essentially agree with ZenMaster here. There is nothing here.
I understand the argument that this will be inspirational to those in the 'middle class' (which, by the way, is a useless term when most people identify with this term). This could be inspirational to anyone unaware, or unexposed to such information, yes I agree with that sentiment.
The way in which it presents the materials however, is not inspirational to me, nor do I think many people who watch this would come out of the movie theater and think "Gee, I think I will devote my life to revealing the truth about free energy". It's a false dichotomy to say either would happen (doing nothing, or being inspired towards finding the truth/reforming government/free energy); but at the same point the language being used here is highly unconventional and a lot of the sources, easily refuted (he references David Icke's work, and Art Bell). To say the least, a lot of the evidence is shaky, or tenuous at best. There are some legitimate sources that have corroboration (the one's I cared to cross-reference and check on). Overall, people will be cynical or call it new age crap. I haven't done a scientific study, but of the people that my friend has enthusiastically shown this film to, they have all replied in this manner. I don't conceive that most people would take well to this. People are concerned about more pragmatic things...and so that is how it is. They will still receive the catalyst they need commensurate to their consciousness. This information is no more important than any other information, in any format.
I think this movie is not worth sharing. I think having a heart to heart with your friend(s) about your ideas together touches the "truth" more than this film ever could. There is engagement, critical thinking and most of all, a sense of passion and respect for each other that will allow you to be insightful. Illuminating yourself occurs through catalyst, especially social interactions. These are perspectives that you must find love in (i.e. the fact that all perspectives are searching for the 'good', that is, what will bring rewards and less costs, however each are defined is the departure point).
I encourage you all, instead of watching this movie, to engage in healthy debate with your good friends, yourself and anyone else who wishes to engage such conversation. You will learn much more.