Whoa, Nelly!!!!! LSD used in Ra channeling sessions????

[Questioner]

I hate to turn the tables, Questioner, and question you, but do you have a basis in fact for this or is it...something else.

In a discussion forum, asking and answering questions is equally a part of everyone's role, isn't it?

Sorry, Q. I was amusing myself with the distortion of cleverness.

I took it as a clever comment worth a chuckle. I hoped to respond with a clever comment worth a chuckle. Your remark seemed to me to be as a funny little aside. For my come-back I hoped to reply in kind. Are we now on the same page about all that?

I was in no position to question her veracity about the drug taking because I was not aware of what her statement was.

And that's my concern. Could there have been a more gracious way to have asked what the story actually was?

Thank you very much, Q. This is just what I was looking for.

Glad I could help. Often, research is fun for me.

never seen any reference which might have suggested the contacts could have been tainted by psychedelic drug use. I'm sorry, other-self, but that really floored me when I came across it the other day.

"That really floored me." I wish you'd have started the discussion there, with how you felt and what was in your own mind. Maybe you did; maybe by "Whoa, Nelly!!!" you meant "I feel boggled!" not "I'm here to criticize wrongdoers!!!"

If that's the case, then I can see how the discussion got off track. Derailment came from misinterpreting what you were here to say. And maybe you meant nothing harsher than "I feel floored when I speculate about this!" Can you understand how others might have thought you meant to come on too strong? Even thought you had some kind of 60 Minutes style bad news expose against Carla?

(clarity issues) With all due respect, Questioner, I feel that's a bit much.

Then I apologize for whatever distortions I added in my attempts to understand your perspective.

I'm just trying to say that you can't promote the material as genuine and not expect reasonable inquiries into it's credibility. Or am I wrong?

Carla's a librarian, for God's sake - literally!

Of course I agree it makes sense to inquire about credibility.

I think the way you went about the credibility inquiry might have been too harshly worded. It really did seem to suggest bad faith, without evidence of bad faith.

I can see how my response might in turn have had more unfounded suggestion of bad faith, and for that I apologize.

Just as you didn't have a good reason to suspect Carla had something to hide, I didn't have a good reason to be suspicious that you were too suspicious. (This makes more sense if you talk like Maxwell Smart when reading it.)

Seriously, this whole issue of credibility is a very important, central theme in my life. I've had many experiences with people who demanded that they must be trusted uncritically, yet they must face no consequences for saying untrue things and for destructive behavior. After all, they felt emotionally intense at the time they were untrue and hurtful: as though ethics are always trumped by vivid feelings.

At the same time, these suppliers of super-intense catalyst used nothing but their worst feelings as some kind of proof: proof that I didn't have any caring or kindness, that I couldn't be telling the truth, even about my own experiences.

Just today, I had an in-person conversation with someone who said, "You have to realize, of course, that lots of people say all kinds of things they just don't mean at all." I know this is true, but it boggles me! How could people be so indifferent to whether or not they say the truth, with whether or not they help or hurt others with their communications!

The person I talked with in person also said, "I'm sorry I startled you with my outburst, and I don't actually mean anything bad about you." He then explained that he was upset when he read something that had nothing to do with me. So that ended well, although it started with a scare for me.

This is better than the way things used to go for me. The "excitement means you accept whatever I do or say, while I reject you" situations led to many painful circumstances in my life. Perhaps I projected some of my past issues onto what you said, from being oversensitive. If so, I ask for your forgiveness about any overreaching.

And perhaps, my heightened sensitivity does let me notice something at the edge of awareness that does deserve to be brought into focus. If so, perhaps we can together learn something that could help both of us.

In any event, I think it's safe to say the Ra material is not a drug trip.