In regards to eating meat

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Oh holy hell I just typed out a whole response that was actually getting somewhere and my window decided to magically refresh itself! Sorry I will have to leave you hanging for the moment...

Hurry! I can't stand the suspense!

Interestingly, the "work stuff" I needed to do led me to this:

Identifying Smart Food Choices on the Path to Healthier Diets

In my opinion, stuff like this is going to be much more impactful than making meat-eaters "wrong". Sorry that's all I got for ya at this moment.

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I will address the "tossing aside" comments, reliability, etc. Especially since Namaste and Ankh have weighed in as well- just so we don't have to retrace our steps here.

To me, a concept such as nested densities is extremely central to the paradigm offered to us by Ra and Q'uo. This is not a sidebar item that can easily be "tossed aside" when it becomes inconvenient to one's argument in a particular thread.

This is what I refer to as playing the "Does Not Resonate" card. If somebody takes a particular quote or transcript and seriously contemplates in their own inner chambers, and comes up with something different than what Ra or Q'uo said- that is a totally legitimate thing in my mind.

Playing the "Does Not Resonate" card refers to using it like a "Get Out of Jail Free" card in Monopoly. That means somebody has been backed into a corner in their argumentation, and suddenly throws up "Does Not Resonate" as a last-ditch effort and just trying to basically slither out of it, or save face, or not "admit defeat" or whatever else they might be making up in their mind about the situation.

I have observed the "Does Not Resonate" to be a derailing tactic peculiar to forums of this nature. Of course the reason being that most people wouldn't give any weight to "Does Not Resonate" much less full weight to it as some apparently believe it should carry.

Now I fully admit it is difficult to discern exactly who is doing this and when, which is why I tend to reserve such commentaries for "people in general" and not individuals.

However, that being said, when I observe the same individual forwarding arguments in multiple threads, then playing the "Does Not Resonate" card over and over again, this is when I start to wonder about motives and hidden agendas. Also note that playing the card doesn't have to look exactly like that. I think "It's All Subjective" is a very similar move, for example.

In a different scenario, when I observe that a certain individual almost never plays "Does Not Resonate" but then comes out strongly with it on a particular hot-button issue, I take that as a sign to look for personal bias. Of course, I could be entirely wrong, but that is how I think.

No, the material is not infallible. But it is extremely reliable. Having read hundreds of L/L Research transcripts, I can attest that the material is highly consistent, and coherent. It rarely ever contradicts itself, and in those times when I have found a contradiction, I later came to a higher understanding in which the contradictions were resolved. So I tend to trust the material. I realize this may be more difficult for others, for various reasons.

Moreover, I observe that nearly every channeled source offers some discourse on this particular concept of nested densities, and not one has contradicted it. This concept also is a dead-ringer on my internal Truth-O-Meter. So I am really unlikely to budge on this one. I really do apologize if I come across as self-righteous, but I am quite certain this is the correct model for reality.

Life within life within life. Densities within densities within densities.

Seeing as how nested densities is actually part of the fabric of Creation itself, what does this say for the idea of third density becoming fourth density? It kind of doesn't make sense.

What I think you and others are talking about is the process of coming to hold a particular frequency or energy pattern which is congruent with fourth density while still remaining in third density. This is what creates a bridge for consciousness to be transferred from one realm to another.

But fourth density is another realm altogether. Third density is nested inside of it. That is what the material actually says. This doesn't fall under the category of "what TN thinks it says". I am having a really difficult time comprehending how this could be read differently or interpreted otherwise. Though upon reflection I can see that I didn't quite "get" this at first, or even second or third glance. It is a bit elusive to the mind to grasp.

But now that I do, I see that so many other concepts are built upon, or lean upon, this one that to take it away would basically amount to invalidating the whole body of material.

As discussed in The Detuning of Session 17 and Ra's True Intentions Regarding 2011 - Part II I am open to considering that certain sessions carry greater levels of distortion than others, and even attempted to link it to documented evidence of solar activity during or immediately prior to the session. As it turned out, some of the more seemingly contradictory statements appear to be temporally linked to solar activity.

I also noted that reports of "psychic attack" seemed to also coincide with these sessions and further postulated that the negative entities were somehow feeding upon the increased solar energy and resulting geomagnetic fluctuations- which may be intended as a "food" source for human beings. Perhaps this might even be connected to the desire to eat meat?!

However, as regards the session in question, I personally find this to be quite crystal clear. Do you see any signs of distortion in the session that I may have missed?

Moreover, this is what Carla had to say on the matter at Homecoming 2010:

Basically for Q’uo that’s the story. The train’s coming! Get on board and thank the Lord. Everything’s okay, there’s no need to fear.

In a session [recorded] February 13, 2010, Q’uo says, “Third-density Earth is nested within fourth-density Earth. It is not the same Earth as fourth-density Earth. Third-density Earth will not become fourth-density Earth, any more than first-density Earth became second-density Earth, or second-density Earth became third-density Earth. These densities are nested in such a way as to occupy the same area or influence within time/space and space/time held lovingly by the overarching energy field of your Sun.”

This is an important point. The densities nest. We don’t stand here on this very ground and then at the Winter Solstice it turns into fourth-density Earth. It continues being third-density Earth. The fourth-density Earth is of a far more dense nature, denser with light; denser with information, and it nests within the third density, which nests within second [density], which nests within first [density]. All of the densities nest together, sort of like those Russian dolls that, [when] you open the biggest doll, there’s a smaller one, then a smaller one, and a smaller one. But I don’t think it’s [exactly] like that. I think the densities interpenetrate.

Fourth Annual Earth Transformation Conference - Kona, Hawaii - Talk on 2012

2012 is a non-event in terms of physicality because it has to do with the planet changing. And that planetary change doesn’t have to do with third density. Fourth density exists, [b]nested over and interpenetrating third density. Third density doesn’t end so the fourth density can take over, that’s not it. Fourth density Earth is a whole different sphere.[/b] You know from your studies in high school [that] there’s so much space between the atoms, there’s plenty of space for things to interpenetrate and plenty of space for a nest of creations.

A Monday night conference call later that year:

I could; actually I’ve had experience with that that is very eye-opening. The first thing that people think about third density going into fourth is that it’s all going to take place on this one planet. That’s actually not true. [Not true... as in wrong]

The densities are nested in this planetary influence. The Confederation always speaks of planetary influences rather than planets, because in each density the planet is there, it looks the same. But third density is a density of physicality. It’s a density of chemicals. It’s a density of our bodies as chemical distilleries.

Fourth density is a density that is metaphysical in nature; and it could be compared to the inner planes in terms of its make-up. So, it interpenetrates, just as first and second density interpenetrate third density, so that we see first density. We see the rocks, we see the powers: the air, the fire, the rain, the earth. We see second density’s animals and plants. But we’re actually on a third-density Earth, and so we are seeing that which includes all of it. In fourth density we see third, second and first densities, but we see them from a metaphysical point of view. They’re all energy. It’s energy bodies. It’s an energy planet. It’s not the same planet. Third density doesn’t have to clear out to make room for fourth density.

“Connecting the Light” interview from November 2009:

Mike: Now, you have been talking mainly about the third density there. So the people that move into the fourth density, will they just simply disappear from sight because they are in the higher vibration and be in a level still around the old Earth? Or will they actually be progressing to a new Earth?

Carla: Well the densities are nested. You have all of the densities nested. And once you grasp the fact that there isn’t any such thing as mass, there is just energy fields, you can see how there is plenty of room to nest all of the densities of Earth together and have them inter-penetrate. So we are interpenetrated with the fourth density now. And as our third-density light wanes and dies, fourth density light dawns and becomes brighter and starts its scroll of unwinding progression through that density.

I think that it is out of courtesy to third density that we don’t see the fourth-density entities now. I think that when the last purely third-density entity is gone, we will start seeing fourth density, just like we in third density now see animals and plants in the second density and the elements and powers like earth, air, water, fire in first density. They inter-penetrate and they can be seen. But the Confederation has said quite a few times that there is a matter of basic good manners, which would mean that you do not blow third-density people’s minds by having fourth density appearing, with so much more light, so much more information, etc.

What you are getting in third density, however, is this inter-penetrated fourth-density light; this light of truth that has so much more information and is pretty much, especially as third density light wanes, forcing the people that are working to make their choice, to make their choice. to see everything about themselves that they did not want to see. It is all coming up and demanding to be noticed so that it can be integrated into the self and so that the self can gather itself into the open heart, forgive itself, accept itself and love itself.