In regards to eating meat

[Tenet Nosce]

Here are more quotes with respect to the relative importance of taking care of the body and aiming for longevity. I understand that some do not appreciate using quotes from the material to back up one's view. But this is relevant because it addresses how things are viewed from beyond the veil. I can only assume that once the veil is removed, we will tend to arrive at similar views. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Some of you have offered responses to my previous comments but have ignored the prolific quotes which support them. Again... don't you think it might be at least worth a mention of the thought process behind your logic? Seeing as how your view makes Hatonn, Ra, and Q'uo wrong about this? Given the preponderance of evidence which supports the view I have adopted... I think that the burden of proof here is quite a bit more than "Well that's just what I believe" or "Does Not Resonate".

Sorry... you are certainly free to hold a different view from this, but please be aware that it runs directly contrary to the information found in the transcripts. That is all I am saying.

11 Sep 78
11 Sep 98

Hatonn… which is known to this instrument as the chambered nautilus. As this sea creature grows it becomes too large for his previous shell and creates for himself a larger one and when in the course of time he then grows, he then creates a larger shell and so on in a beautiful and unending spiral until such time as he has no need for it whatsoever, for any physical vehicle, the consciousness having left this form. Then, my friends, all the shells are empty, having served their purpose.

There are two distinct stages to the development of your mental vehicle. In the first stage, it is primarily important that you constantly be aware that in each situation there is freedom, and you are not iron-bound by any restrictions from the outside. In order to fashion this awareness, it is in this stage necessary that you construct for yourself a larger mental shell, a larger home in which to dwell [i.e. stop focusing so much on the physical shell]. Each time that you find that a situation is impressing you as limiting or difficult, it is time for inner work, my friends, in which you explore and discover the larger and more spacious mental atmosphere that is necessary for your balance.

There is a certain point in your development when you will find that you do not need a shell at all, but instead, in the vulnerable body of consciousness, you may swim out into the waters of the universe and merge with all that there is . In that moment, my friends, you will have discovered that there is no need for any vehicle whatsoever, for all things are one. And as your home is the universe, and as all things are one, no protection is necessary.

We are aware that this second stage is, for the most part, a very distant goal and yet we wish you to know that it does exist and that within it is a larger reality which in good time will supersede the limitations and the difficulties of your present state of consciousness. Meanwhile, enlarge your shell, my friends, through meditation and contemplation. Open yourself within, for the world without only seems to press in upon you. In reality, it is pressing upon itself and you are free. [i.e. you are not your body]

Questioner: Does that (inaudible) of longevity and perhaps even immortality or this (inaudible). Is that a conscious spiritual union of, through meditation, of the spiritual mind of the DNA genetic code?

Hatonn: That which is long life is desired by some among your peoples but in your present vibration it is not truly desirable. There will come a time when longevity is natural. Efforts to precede this natural moment by means of scientific and technological advances may perhaps be fascinating and inspiring to your peoples. However, when longevity is a desirable tool which you may use to good effect—learning and growing throughout a longer incarnation—the exterior vibrations will of necessity, have, shall we say, ameliorated and wars and violence and other negative aspects will have lessened in their impact on the planetary vibration.

The efforts of single individuals to have lives on the planet which do not take into account the outer negativity of the planetary vibration are lives which, shall we say, are those of a (inaudible) and may not be as rewarding to the progress of the soul. However, we realize that we are not addressing ourselves to your question but it is not a question that we can answer simply

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I am aware of your question, my sister. First let us elucidate the question of the one known as Ra for his description of longevity as we understood it included not merely a long life as we now know it but that which you would term an impossibly long life such as one which spans two centuries or more. And, indeed, we enjoy a longer life than you by many centuries for our whole sense of time and space have changed as we have entered new vibratory patterns.

Now, secondly, let us address ourselves to your question of a normally long life being perhaps not desirable. May we say to you that lives as you know them, whether long or short by any standards, are in a certain pattern which you have chosen before you enter into the pattern. As a result of going from the beginning to the end of this pattern your spirit hopes that it will have learned certain lessons and thus have improved and refined the vibration which is its essence in the sphere of eternity in which all of you truly dwell.

When one contemplates and then does that which is known as suicide, one cuts short before the natural end the time of learning. And more often than not, the lessons which that soul had hoped to learn have not been learned. Consequently, it is often so that rather than alleviating karma, the action of taking one’s life adds more karma to the burden which is already carried and you are trying to discharge by the expression which is the lifetime which you are now living.

Thus, when you reenter incarnation, you have not only the original lesson to be learned but an additional severity to that lesson which is brought on by that pain that you have caused to those whom you have previously loved. Many times this type of karma is alleviated by the total forgiveness of those whom you have hurt. However, it is simply desirable to live until it is time for the lesson to be through, for your burdens to be laid down. It is a truism, we are aware, but we must repeat that you are not given those things which you cannot bear; thus, working through what is difficult.

When you finish with a lifetime, at its natural end, whether it be short or long, you can then go on and learn other, perhaps, more agreeable lessons in other, perhaps, more agreeable spheres of vibration. If you may think of your existence as having a natural rhythm and an ongoing purpose, perhaps it will be easier for you to understand that suicide, as you call it, is a stoppage of that rhythm in an arbitrary manner. Instead, it is desirable to proceed with the rhythm of your existence, always seeing the many blessings that are about you and letting the realization of love flow into you from the Father. If you can keep these realizations before you, your life, in this realm and all others, will be enjoyable and fruitful.

:exclamation: EDIT: Wait a second! These appear to be the same transcript?! One says 11 Sep 78 and the other 11 Sep 98??

But whenever this quote came from, I think the attitude is quite clear. The body is a shell, and easily discarded when it no longer serves a purpose. It is a vehicle, and nothing more.

So if anybody wants to swoop in this thread and say... no TN you are wrong this is how things actually are, then be clear you are making Hatonn, Ra, and Q'uo wrong about it as well. Hence- "calling Q'uo a liar". That was probably a little too inflammatory of a phrase there that I used.

But the point is either all these entities are wrong, or they are lying to us, according to the views of some in this thread. If so, this is quite an unspoken accusation against the quality of the material and something which I think should be addressed out in the open.

I don't know, maybe you are a 7D Wanderer come back to correct these distortions propagated by your misguided brethren within these channelings. But if so, I would expect a little more to back up your view.