In regards to eating meat

[Tenet Nosce]

You are coming across as someone engaged in a social/mental experiment rather than swapping concepts.

I am? How so?

Either that or your ego is growing. Show us a video of you walking on water since you claim to be a 6D Oversoul. Levitate? Anything at all?

I don't know how to respond to this without sounding even more egotistical to you. My responses to you were truthful. You are not your body. I am sorry if this truth is offensive to you.

Spiritual evolution is about progressively becoming less identified with the body and more identified with the consciousness within. After 6D, it is about becoming less identified with the consciousness and more identified with spirit.

Identification with form (body) is also a stage of spiritual growth- the first one. Obsession with the internal appearance of the body (health) is only a couple notches past obsession with the external appearance of the body (narcissism).

Other than saying we are dumbasses for going through the motions of evolution?

Pickle- this is just a totally sideways comment. The only person in my reply to you that I referred to as a dumbass is myself. I also referred to a theoretical squirrel (who if they existed would not be a person) as a dumbass.

Nobody is a dumbass for going through the motions of evolution. Though some people are dumbasses for failing to recognize the next step in evolution, and actually fighting against it when others who have already taken that step have come here to help them.

If you can find me a single example of channeled information from higher densities that contradicts the view that the body is nothing more than a vehicle for consciousness, I will put "DUMBASS" in my title for a week.

Moreover, of the great spiritual teachers throughout history- only ONE advocated for vegetarianism. That was Mahavira. Buddha didn't talk about it. Laozi didn't talk about it. Jesus didn't talk about it. I wonder why that is?

If you were born retarded without full function of senses I might say you were here to teach. I assume you have all senses functioning which means you are also here to learn.

According to my understanding teach/learning and learn/teaching go hand in hand. I don't know how one can be without the other- nor do I understand how retardation would qualify one as a teacher.

It is your prerogative to throw accusations of egotism around- but I wonder what the point of that is? Is that compassionate? If not, it would appear all those years of veganism hasn't done much for your ability to feel compassion toward other human beings. Think about that.

If it is true that abstaining from meat "raises one's vibration" and makes one "more compassionate" then kindly explain all the angry, hateful, and vengeful vegans of the world.

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I certainly do work on all of it, all the time. But my point is, why wait until I've healed my relationship with humanity to heal my relationships with plants, animals, and Gaia?

It just sounds to me like your relationship with plants, animals, and Gaia, is not in need of healing. But I wouldn't really know.

All events aren't necessarily linear, although I agree that healing self is a first important step; however, the healing of self in part may happen when healing relationships to other selves.

That is certainly true.

Making peace with humanity is just a larger issue for me because humanity is in such a barbaric state.

Humanity is barbaric?! Why you egotistical sonofagun!

I am not evolved enough to observe cruelty, willful unconsciousness, greed, destructiveness, and the whole lot of human folly with equanimity and unconditional love.

I struggle with this as well.

They don't understand the speed a car can get up to.

But they do! At least the animals we are "concerned" about here. Of course they don't comprehend what a car is, but they can tell it is a big thing moving quickly toward them.

I dunno- I guess I don't really subscribe to the notion that all animals are as helpless as a newborn human. Some animals demonstrate exceedingly high levels of intelligence. There also appears to be some mechanism for the distribution of acquired wisdom among different members of a species.

Other animals... well what can I say? They are just a really long way from individuation and I doubt that a couple more incarnations is going to make the difference. Same goes for certain humans with respect to their next step.

So in a similar sense to what you and Bring4th_Monica have said about doing what one can, aren't we pretty much already doing that? Don't most animal species that have clearly demonstrated individuation already have protection under the law?

Why would we keep pressing the issue to extend to the whole of the animal kingdom meanwhile 3.5 billion people survive on less than $2.50 a day, and 1 billion people are in danger of starving to death before 2012 even arrives?

Man has created an artificial environment, and I do not think animals understand it.

This reminded me of birds flying into glass windows.

We are in an awkward stage of development: our minds developed more than our hearts. When these two balance, our technology will soar to wonderful and magical heights for the good of all.

According to my understanding, there are four possible paths from here.

1. Mass human extinction event causing a near or total loss of technology. (Repeat 3D)

2. Merging of humans with technology and a totalitarian state. (4D negative)

3. Merging of technology with nature and spiritual renaissance. (4D positive)

4. Replacement of material technology with the functions of higher consciousness and the ability to manifest a body purely by thought. (5D/6D)

According to my understanding, there is a fifth "path" that links #1 to #3. Many indigenous cultures refer to this as the Rainbow Bridge. In the Hindu tradition it is referred to as the antahkarana.

I believe this is described by Q'uo as the post-harvest 3D earth. It is a 3D/4D hybrid environment that serves sort of as a probationary period for those who have qualified themselves to 4D, but still need to balance out some ancient karma by making reparations to the earth. It is also populated by many souls who have responded to this particular call- their job is to make reparations with humanity. These two functions go together.

I have noted this before, but I will note it again because I think it is an important, but subtle, point. Reparation and repair have two different meanings, but are easily confused.

Now this is really pushing the limits of my knowledge, but I get the sense that the 3D/4D hybrid earth actually is a manifestation of late 4D technology. The whole thing is actually an artificial environment much like the Matrix.

This is why, although much of the focus will be on making reparations to the earth, it really isn't about the earth. The earth is just fine. It is about the humans. But maybe I am spoiling the surprise?! :-/