12-04-2011, 02:27 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2011, 03:59 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
(12-04-2011, 01:47 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: By worlds beginning to separate, you mean the veil, right? Is that what keeps 4D from influencing 3D directly?
Yes, separated by the veil. Remember, this sub-Logos specifically chose a Creation where there is naturally a high degree of communication between densities. This is apparently part of the "problem" or should I say challenge.
82.29 Wrote:Questioner: You have stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize more than 50% service-to-others to be harvestable fourth-density positive. Was this condition the same at the time before the veil?
Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.
The query is not answered easily, for the concept of service to self did not hold sway previous to what we have been calling the veiling process. The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. In your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.
Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross. It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.
(12-04-2011, 02:07 PM)Diana Wrote: I think this is somewhat at play with the meat-eating issue. (Not pointed at anyone; just a general comment.)
Yes... on all sides! On the one hand we have a Texas rancher who probably eats half a cow a week thinking it is all just dandy, and on the other hand an ascetic yogi who is overly concerned that the burger they ate five years ago is still defiling their body and causing them to accumulate negative karma. Then there is everybody else in between.
Diana Wrote:Certainly meat-eating is causing a great deal of suffering for some of the meat-eaters (in terms of health).
No doubt.
Diana Wrote:We have historically been omnivorous, with the notable exceptions of some evolved individuals Monica pointed out who suggested otherwise.
Humans are naturally omnivores. (I actually think this has profound meaning for the role of humanity in higher densities.) Throw in a little genetic manipulation here and a little dietary law there and voilà... perpetual conflict among humans.
Diana Wrote:2) Advanced beings trying to help humankind, such as Ra or Jesus, bring enlightened concepts to help humans evolve/grow.
Don't forget 3) Well-meaning but misguided humans who feel it is appropriate to twist enlightened concepts so as to conform with lesser truths or to edit out certain portions "for the benefit" of others. It's a pickle, no doubt about it. Over the years, I have found that I need to be extremely discerning in this respect.
For example, at first glance the Essene work that Monica linked to made a lot of sense to me. But then when I backed up and looked at it from a big picture view, I see so much absolutism and dualistic thinking that it tends to make me reject the whole thing. Especially if and when I find a differing viewpoint which isn't couched in those terms.
There are -so- many works that I have come across like that over the years. They suck the reader in with nice-sounding platitudes at the beginning, but then unleash all the controlling behaviors, thou shalt nots, and fear-based thinking, once the reader gets deeper into the text. Really, I don't see this as too different from an abusive man who at first coddles a woman with false promises and smooth-talking, but then once she "ties the knot" then he beats the crap out of her for the rest of her life.
I think a lot of "spiritual" paths work this way... they get you in feeling good and then once you trust them... THEN all the fear-mongering starts to come out. Usually disguised as an "initiation" or "advanced teaching" or something like that. Because the initiate is "special" then they have to follow "special rules" that everybody else doesn't. This is obviously divisive, yet very easy to slip into.
The internal yardstick that I use for this is that, while reading if I start to notice myself having restrictive feelings (fear, shame, guilt) then that tells me not to trust the material at hand. True spiritual works cause one to feel expansive feelings (peace, love and joy). End of story. (At least in my book!)
Humanity has been programmed to be very susceptible to lies and deceit. Most of those manipulations are predicated on an idea that on the surface appears liberating, but at the core is quite limiting. That is why when I see somebody backing themselves into a corner dietarily- eating progressively fewer and fewer foods with greater and greater amount of time spent in procurement and preparation of food- it sends up a yellow flag for me.
All the legitimate reasons to "Eat This, Not That" aside- I believe there is more important work to be done here besides maintaining our body complexes. When maintaining the body complex crosses over into being depicted as "spiritual work" that is when I think it crosses over the line. Yes, our bodies are miraculous and amazing biological machines. But they are machines, they are not the consciousness using the machine. Taking good care of my automobile does not make me a better person, just a smarter person.
I guess I have had a hard time conveying this, but I fully agree as one becomes more spiritually aware they will eat less meat. I just don't think it works in the opposite direction. That seems like a Yahweh-style inversion tactic to me. But I could be wrong.