In regards to eating meat

[Tenet Nosce]

That's true, but the element of fire can be obtained in other ways besides cooking. Those on a high-raw vegan diet often gravitate towards yoga, chi-kung, and other ways of generating heat in the body. Many also gravitate towards tropical or sub-tropical climates, simply because there is an abundance of fresh, raw fruits and veggies.

I think location does play a huge difference. My food cravings definitely do change according to location. As well as the seasons. But I wouldn't know all this if I weren't looking for it!

I actually saw a guy once who came in and wanted me to design a nutrition plan for weight loss. I hate doing these by the way. But one thing I appreciated about him was that he was very upfront and honest- he liked McDonald's and was not in a place to give it up.

One might find this a stressful situation, but I was relieved because what actually most people do is agree to one thing- without ever really intending to follow it in the first place. Then when it doesn't work, they can conveniently blame you.

So anyway I told the guy, yes I will write McDonald's into your plan. One one condition. For the next two weeks, every time you don't feel well (he had a whole bunch of complaints) I want you to think back to what your last meal is. That is all. He agreed to this and went off.

Well, typically in this sort of situation I wouldn't expect him to actually return. (Those folks seem to prefer to no-show rather than cancelling their appointment for whatever reason.) Not only did he show up- but he declared that he was never eating McDonald's again! So based on my experience, that is what works.

All these people caught up in the pop culture aspect of dieting trends just keep getting bopped around like pinballs. And spending a lot of money doing it too.

The Essene Gospel also addressed this, by advocating letting the 'angel of sunlight' warm the food with life-force.

This sounds like something Ra would say to me.

Earlier you mentioned grains causing health problems for some people. Those who can't tolerate cooked wheat can usually tolerate sprouted, low-temp-baked wheat just fine.

Yes, that's true.

It's interesting that Jesus was advocating sprouted wheat 2000+ years ago, and it's now been shown that the nutrient content of grains is multiplied manyfold when the grain is sprouted.

Yes, and even more interesting how this important information could have become lost! Actually it seems like more than once! I wonder why humanity keeps forgetting about this.

In the context of the 'raw' or 'living' diet the demarcation is whether there is still enzymatic activity. Enzymes are destroyed at temps higher than around 120. (There's some dispute about the exact temp, but somewhere around there.)

Different temps for different enzymes. pH also makes a big difference. I see the principle though I don't think it applicable in a linear fashion. I would imagine, the more vital the body is the more purely raw food it can handle.

I would be concerned about switching an elderly person directly to a raw food diet, though. I am not convinced that is the appropriate first step. I would definitely tell them to eat vegetables lightly steamed. Plus to eat things like squashes which... are those even edible raw?? Gross! LOL

On the other hand, there are known negative effects of continuing to eat hamburgers and other junk food...

Yes, but not really so much for eating a few pounds of organically-raised chicken and lamb per week. I can't say I am aware of any evidence to suggest that would be harmful to the body.

I'm not so sure that there can be any certainty that lack of meat was the cause or even a contributing factor, though. My guess is that lack of essential fatty acids is a more likely culprit.

No no it's wasn't lack of meat. You are right... actually that was the problem though because she didn't... I dunno... "believe me"... that some bodies have a harder time with plant-sources of omega-3 than animal sources. She just couldn't accept that information as valid because in her mind plant trumps animal every time.

Actually now with algal sources of omega-3 this might be a moot point.

When I was having unusual health problems years ago, and after consulting with MDs, NDs, homeopaths, acupuncturists, etc. all to no avail, I finally let a macrobiotic nutritional counselor convince me to eat meat again. (This shows the level of desperation I had reached!) He told me I lacked 'chi' or 'digestive fire' and needed meat.

What?! :exclamation: See to me this is the same problem from another angle. He said you needed it as if that was a done deal. I would definitely toss something like that out there as a "maybe" or "something to try possibly as an experiment" in that sort of situation. But I wouldn't start there anyway... certainly I have never felt the need to go there at all.

It was extremely difficult for me. After having been a vegetarian for about 15 years, I dutifully cooked organic chicken and salmon, smothered it in hot salsa, and got it down.

How much and how often? And what was up with the salsa thing?

Guess what - it didn't help my health problems at all! I mean not even a little.

Regarding changes in the body, I tell people that positive results should be at least noticeable within two or three weeks, and obvious at three to four months.

I can't imagine the mindset of a practitioner who would tell a client to just "hold on" and trust anything for that long without seeing a result. *shock and amazement*

Later, I did find the solution to the problems, and it had nothing to do with meat.

So the meat didn't seem to make anything worse, either?

That's a tossup, since the meat has all the hormones, concentrated pesticides, etc.

I went back and modified that statement to address how the meat was produced. Yes.

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I'd say meat has both karma and karman...karma because of contributing to the suffering of the animal, and karman because of the toxic substances (artificial hormones, concentrated pesticides, and fear hormones generated at time of death).

These substances harm the body... and can limit consciousness... but are you saying they harm the spirit?

I think that is what those Jain monks were talking about. I think if they were also students of the Ra material they would say that somebody who eats toxic meat products cannot be harvestable to 4D. The toxins actually keep their spirit bound to this place.

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I'm not sure about any of it, although cause and effect is undeniable.

Yes, I am thinking in the cause and effect sense. Like for example, if I were to attempt to cast a harmful magic spell on somebody, I would actually be invoking harm to come to my own self at some time in the future. It is not really a "punishment" just the effects of my actions on a metaphysical level. But you are right, there are many conceptions of this.

I do speculate one might get off the wheel of karma--assuming there is one--by a single act of forgiving oneself.

That would be the most logical conclusion.

As to "karman": Sounds like dogmatic beliefs. I do think that perhaps one might refine the body (opposite direction of negative defiling) more and more in an effort to make it lighter, closer to "light."

I think so too.

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This is just a random thought... but what if the "Essenes" were more like a holistic retreat center that Jesus designed? Not so much a set of spiritual mandates, but more like "here try this"?

No doubt after his departure some others swooped in and turned it into some sort of weird cultish thing.