In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

Not only did he show up- but he declared that he was never eating McDonald's again! So based on my experience, that is what works.

Cool!

I actually do something similar. Rather than lay any sort of vegetarian dogma on them, I might just suggest that they try incorporating some vegetarian meals a couple times per week...then once they get a few recipes they like, try leaving out meat for a month and see how they feel.

Or, I might suggest they start juicing and see how they feel.

All these people caught up in the pop culture aspect of dieting trends just keep getting bopped around like pinballs. And spending a lot of money doing it too.

Been there done that. Confession time: I even tried Adkins once.

A vegetarian version, which meant heavy on the eggs, butter and cheese. It worked. I lost 15 pounds in a couple of weeks. But it gave me arthritis and hemmorhoids. (!!!)

(Fortunately, both cleared up within a week or so of getting back to my normal plant-based diet.)

Adkins was the most dreadful diet experience I've ever had. I still feel sheepish for falling for it. (It was back when the diet first got popular...mid 90s or so?)

I would imagine, the more vital the body is the more purely raw food it can handle.

That's an interesting question...but then wouldn't gradually eating more raw food make the body more vital? Seems like a natural process.

I would be concerned about switching an elderly person directly to a raw food diet, though. I am not convinced that is the appropriate first step. I would definitely tell them to eat vegetables lightly steamed.

You're probably right about that. My dad couldn't even eat bananas. Bananas! He said they gave him gas.

Plus to eat things like squashes which... are those even edible raw?? Gross! LOL

Ha, you'd be surprised! There are all sorts of ways to prepare raw zucchini, sweet potato, even regular potatoes!

I thought potatoes weren't edible raw, but they are. There's a lot of info out there about juicing red potatoes as a cancer treatment. And recipes for raw potato chips. You have to make sure you cut off all the green parts, which are toxic, but it's doable.

They were good but a lot of work. I don't plan to quit eating cooked potatoes any time soon.

Yes, but not really so much for eating a few pounds of organically-raised chicken and lamb per week. I can't say I am aware of any evidence to suggest that would be harmful to the body.

I had given up red meat for about a year before I went veg. Some co-workers had a BBQ and brought chicken just for me. I didn't have the heart to tell them I now didn't eat chicken anymore either, so I decided to go ahead and eat it 'one more time.'

I was unable to do it. My co-worker noticed that I was 'picking at' my food. And, I felt nauseous later. It was probably psychological, but I just couldn't go back.

No no it's wasn't lack of meat. You are right... actually that was the problem though because she didn't... I dunno... "believe me"... that some bodies have a harder time with plant-sources of omega-3 than animal sources. She just couldn't accept that information as valid because in her mind plant trumps animal every time.

I understand. Actually, when I went back to meat during that year, it was a very humbling experience and did me a lot of good in that respect, just by forcing me to let go of rigid dogma. Which is probably why it happened, since the meat itself didn't even help me.

Actually now with algal sources of omega-3 this might be a moot point.

Yes, and chia seeds and flax seeds. For breakfast today I had a bowl of chia pudding (chia seeds soaked in milk made from raw almonds and hemp hearts, + a dash of vanilla and maple syrup. Yum!). Talk about essential fatty acid powerhouse!

I actually tried taking fish oil for awhile even after going veg, as one of the many things I tried to solve the health problems, but I kept burping up a nasty fish taste. And I had nightmares. I stopped, nightmares stopped. Started again, nightmares started again. I experimented about 5 or 6 times and it was conclusive.

What?! :exclamation: See to me this is the same problem from another angle. He said you needed it as if that was a done deal. I would definitely toss something like that out there as a "maybe" or "something to try possibly as an experiment" in that sort of situation. But I wouldn't start there anyway... certainly I have never felt the need to go there at all.

I had already tried nearly everything else. This guy was very pro-meat though. You know the Doctrine of Signatures, right? Well he thought bananas would make the male member limp.

HUH???

Nope, not true at all!

How much and how often? And what was up with the salsa thing?

Every day, sometimes twice a day. Organic baked chicken and wild salmon.

I didn't want to say this, but since you asked, I had to smother it in salsa in order to eat it without puking. Sorry, but it's true.

I had to pretend it was tofu.

Regarding changes in the body, I tell people that positive results should be at least noticeable within two or three weeks, and obvious at three to four months.

Man, I should have called you instead! This guy told me I was so 'deficient' that it would take months to recover. So I kept at it, even though the nightmares started and didn't quit. What else could I do? I really was desperate!

After many months, he told me I needed something stronger and 'hotter' (energetically). Yup. You guessed it. He convinced me to go from chicken & fish to red meat.

I resisted this. I had to draw the line somewhere! But again, in desperation, I had my hubby bring home some organic beef and cook it for me.

I couldn't get past a few bites, not even smothered in salsa. That night, I had an especially horrible nightmare.

I told the macrobiotics guy and he then suggested I try deer meat. So I had to go to a taxidermy place that carried venison.

I was able to eat that with less trouble than the beef, for some reason.

But that didn't help either.

After another couple of months, I gave up on that idea and went back to my veggie self.

The nightmares stopped.

Incidentally, my skin looked more leathery during that year of eating meat. My skin is normally very good, very light and glowing. (I look younger than I am.)

I can't imagine the mindset of a practitioner who would tell a client to just "hold on" and trust anything for that long without seeing a result. *shock and amazement*

Well you aren't rigid in your thinking like this guy was.

So the meat didn't seem to make anything worse, either?

Digestion and elimination slowed down, and my skin. Other than that, not that I noticed.

These substances harm the body... and can limit consciousness... but are you saying they harm the spirit?

That statement wasn't about the meat substance itself, but the conscious turning off compassion, once the person had become aware of the plight of the animals.

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No doubt after his departure some others swooped in and turned it into some sort of weird cultish thing.

Well they sure did that with the Bible!