"Thrive" is amazing must watch!

[zenmaster]

But the suspicion is then not enough, a fabricated dynamic - a story, a rumor, is then created to paint a picture or 'frame' the separate, actual situation in such a way that my agenda gains more sympathy.

I'm curious to know if you would consider this following story a "fabricated dynamic". Particularly since you previously recommended for me to read it. Would you consider this all BS? Or?

An example of 'negative' influence. BS? To the extent that no backing info was provided. Fore knows this, of course.

I see. I must have not got to that part but... does Fore explain why this woman would take great pains to deceive him repeatedly over the course of 20-30 years. It just seems a little egocentric for him to think a being of her intelligence level would bother with him to such a degree.

Yes he does, you'd indeed have your answers addressed in his own words. My take on the matter is that it's a complicated situation. I've read the entire thread (you can see my comments therein), we've had IM discussions. '4D' thinking is so far beyond what we are used to that it's not possible to see an actual 'agenda' (as if our 3D notion of 'agenda' is even applicable?) and we are almost always 'wrong' in interpreting motive - hence the disinfo which I keep bringing up at this time. We do not 'strategize' like they do. There is the surface story and there are deeper elements at work. The overall intent, positive or negative however, is influence (as Ra said).

In short, no, I do not consider his narration of his experiences fabricated at all. He does have some 'ability', but not sure to what extent. What he is relating, however is a subjective experience and what he says he's been told is, of course, open to interpretation. And he repeatedly says as much, questioning his own thoughts. I believe he's being fairly objective in telling his story - but hey, as he relates, he's been educated or 'trained', almost like an experiment. How could such a special situation be allowed when it seems like a free-will abridgment?

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Interestingly, I have seen zenmaster forward arguments that movies like this are basically ineffectual, then later claims that they are actually harmful to society and slow the process of true spiritual growth. It seems to me like it would be one or the other, but not both.

For crying out loud, ineffectual towards the ends which are being claimed. Overall it's entertainment. As I said, the goal is obviously to paint a picture, to stir emotions and anchor transcendent concepts to them. Where they do suggest 'free energy', they have stooped to bringing on outspoken conspiracy people who incorporate a consequentialist (immoral) agenda - that's 'negative'.

As far as I can tell, Greer's organization will promote disinfo if it serves their ends. As you can plainly see, they did a 180 on the alleged, secret, insider-info United Nations UFO meeting attended by basically all nations. First denied by him as BS, then fully embraced (once it was determined to be completely unfalsifiable no doubt). If you followed that particular story a few years ago, you'd see how it evolved in response to probing, in order to create something seemingly plausible. Vallée also saw right through it.

As you may know, Greer believes ET contact has been and is of a positive nature - that's not as in 'looking on the bright side', he doesn't believe negative exists at that level.