"Thrive" is amazing must watch!

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For crying out loud, ineffectual towards the ends which are being claimed.

What ends are being claimed? And by whom? Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anybody claiming this movie was going to "save the world".

Where they do suggest 'free energy', they have stooped to bringing on outspoken conspiracy people who incorporate a consequentialist (immoral) agenda - that's 'negative'.

Oh you mean, like Icke and Greer?

What about Duane Elgin, Nassim Haramein, Jack Kasher, Daniel Sheehan, Adam Trombly, Brian O'Leary, Vandana Shiva, John Gatto, John Robbins, Deepak Chopra, Catherine Austin Fitts, G. Edward Griffin, Bill Still, John Perkins, Paul Hawken, Aqeela Sherrills, Evon Peter, Angel Kyodo Williams, Elisabet Sahtouris, Amy Goodman, and Barbara Marx Hubbard?

Would you say all of these individuals incorporate a negative consequentialist agenda?

As far as I can tell, Greer's organization will promote disinfo if it serves their ends. As you can plainly see, they did a 180 on the alleged, secret, insider-info United Nations UFO meeting attended by basically all nations. First denied by him as BS, then fully embraced (once it was determined to be completely unfalsifiable no doubt). If you followed that particular story a few years ago, you'd see how it evolved in response to probing, in order to create something seemingly plausible. Vallée also saw right through it.

Actually, I don't follow Greer, or find him all that credible. He lost me several years ago. Last time I really checked into the ET scene was the 27 Sep 10 press conference where:

Six former U.S. Air Force officers and one former enlisted man will break their silence about these events [shutdown of nuclear weapons by ETs] at the National Press Club and urge the government to publicly confirm their reality.

That was all I really needed to know on the subject. Of course, this didn't get much attention in the media. They didn't deem this as important as sports scores and celebrity gossip.

As you may know, Greer believes ET contact has been and is of a positive nature - that's not as in 'looking on the bright side', he doesn't believe negative exists at that level.

According to DC (whose view I most align with at this moment) there are all manner of various ET factions with different takes on the matter. They all think they are doing the "right thing". Some of them just have less regard for the free will of humans.

This is because we have detonated nuclear weapons, and some are planning to do it again. Otherwise, they would leave us be to mind our own business. So it is actually HUMANITY that has infringed on the free will of other civilizations by our ignorant use of nuclear weaponry. These are the ones who act toward humans in what we would perceive as "negative" ways.

The vast majority of ETs present have responded to "The Call". Except upon arrival, they found that the earth had been quarantined by even "higher" entities who ascribe to a philosophy of strict noninterference. I can only assume Ra is part of this group.

Faced with this situation, many of the ETs decided to incarnate physically, in order to make changes from the inside without further eroding free will on the planet. These are what Ra refers to as Wanderers.

So what we have is actually a panoply of ET entities at every imaginable level of development. So yes, there are the "4D positive" who are attempting to recruit humans into their "spiritual war".

The fourth density is the only density besides your own which, lacking the wisdom to refrain from battle, sees the necessity of the battle.

But the whole point... the point behind the point... is for people to choose. There is nothing "wrong" with making a choice one way or another. The problem is that here on earth we have acquired so much spiritual entropy that very few are choosing at all. Whether positive, negative, neutral, or otherwise.

Based on this, I don't agree with your argument that videos like Thrive are "negative" because they are "divisive". That is the point. To get people to choose which reality they want to be a part of.

I'm not a Bible thumper... but in light of the greater context of events offered here, I think this enigmatic quote from Jesus makes a lot of sense:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to `set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.' And `a man's foes shall be they of his own household.'

A similar view is offered in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas:

Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war.

For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."