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    Tenet Nosce (Offline)

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    12-24-2011, 04:09 AM
    (10-26-2011, 02:59 PM)Oldern Wrote: Greetings, everyone. The topic I want to share with you - or start a discussion in - is the Veil, the nature of the Veil, and the importance of the Veil. Disclaimer: this is a very personal subject to me, and sometimes I believe that this incarnation has something to do with realizing my limits, my "edge", or in other words: accepting the presence of the Veil.

    This is a topic that is close to me as well. Actually, I have two queries that were made to Q'uo on the topic of the veil. Here are the queries and responses. May they be of service to your seeking in this matter:

    23 May 09

    Quote:G: M writes, “It is understood that the veil of forgetting is necessary in order to make the free will choice to polarize to the positive. Yet as a wanderer who has made this choice in the past, I observe that the veil persists within myself. According to my reading of your words, the veil persists within myself because if it were to be removed, it may infringe upon the free will of others who have not yet polarized. Yet I do not understand why this is the case. It would seem to me that it is possible for me to be fully conscious of both third density and fourth density simultaneously without infringing upon the will of others who choose to remain unconscious of fourth density. Please explain why the removal of the veil in one who is polarized would infringe upon the free will of one who is not yet polarized.”

    We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. My brother, it would not infringe upon the free will of another self for you to become fully aware of both third-density awareness and the lack of the veil which is characteristic of fourth-density awareness. Rather, it would infringe upon the free will of yourself.

    You are a certain creature, my brother. It is an excellent creature. You chose to come into third density with its veil of forgetting, specifically because in matters of metaphysical and ethical choice it would throw you completely upon your own assets of faith, hope and charity. You did not come into third density in order to overcome third density. You came into third density to dwell within this illusion and to serve the one infinite Creator.

    Have you had to claw your way into an increased awareness of what lies beyond the veil? We think not. We believe that the moments in which you have penetrated the veil are many and they are to be appreciated. Nevertheless, my brother, were you to dwell without effort beyond the veil of forgetting within third density, you would immediately obviate the advantages of living by faith alone. When you choose within this veil of forgetting to turn towards love, to live love, and to be love, you have done so against resistance. And in meeting and working with this resistance, you have tempered your soul and have done the work which you came to do.

    Thusly, my brother, we would say that it is not a matter of infringing upon the free will of another that keeps you from being able to dwell in third and fourth densities simultaneously. Rather it is the nature of third density that it takes an effort of will, of memory, of desire and of spiritual maturity to live by fourth-density values and to act as if there was no veil.

    Each time that you act in faith to enlarge love and to be its witness and its messenger, you lighten the consciousness of the planet as a whole. And it was for this that you came, my brother. We thank the one known as M for this query and appreciate the energies which provoked the question.

    13 Feb 10

    Quote:G: M writes, “I have a question about the process concerning the removal of the veil and the conditions which must be met before removal may occur. Specifically, I would like to know if the removal is an automatic process that is triggered when certain conditions are met or whether a petition must be made to another level of consciousness. Any other information you may offer with regard to the form and function of the veil that can lead to a greater understanding of the process of removal would also be appreciated.”

    We are those of Q’uo, and we thank the one known as M for this query. To the one known as M we would say that the function of the veil is to create the atmosphere and the environment of Planet Earth in which nothing of metaphysical import can be known in the sense of being proven. Within the veil, there is no way to claim to know or to apprehend the love and the light of the one infinite Creator except by faith.

    Third density is a density of choice. Within third density lie beings that are self-aware, unlike those in second density, who are aware without being self-aware. There is a choice to be made in this density. All of the study, all of the thought, all of the experiencing within third density is intended to have a tendency to move one to points of choice. That choice is the choice of the self-aware entity for service to others and radiancy of being, or service to self and contraction of being. To put it another way, it is a choice between living by love and living by fear, or living by embracing all that there is as part of you and living by setting yourself over and apart from all other entities and forces within the creation.

    At each choice-point there is no way to prove the goodness, the rightness, and the appropriateness of making that choice for love, for service to others, for radiancy. Similarly, there is no way to prove that the choice to aggrandize the self and create a universe in which those around you are considered to be pawns which you may move around as suits you would be the appropriate choice.

    It is designed to be an environment in which you are completely free to chose to leap into faith or to become more and more heavily defended against all that you fear and to wield more and more power and control over your environment to keep yourself safe. It was not an environment designed to be easy to penetrate.

    Now, what is faith? What is that leap into faith, which is not obvious and is not provable? How does that work? There comes a time for each seeker when there is a choice-point at which he must choose to act in faith that all is well in spite of evidence of the contrary, or to retreat in fear into a cave of his own imagining and to be thusly limited.

    It is after an entity has chosen by faith to take that leap into faith that faith begins to prove itself a sturdy place to set one’s foot. It is only after the leap into the abyss of the unproven and mysterious that one gains one’s sure footing and becomes fearless and willing to be that entity whose approach to life is to look for love. With the veil in place, the decision to leap into faith has great weight and value.

    It is a risky thing to do. It feels risky. It takes courage, integrity and will. It takes that of which the one known as G was speaking as a focus of desire, a seeking, a hunger, a thirst for the Creator, for truth, for love, for beauty. Therefore, there is tremendous intensity and power given to the one who makes that choice in faith.

    Now, my brother, consider what the impact would be upon the environment of the Density of Choice if there were no veil, if all the answers were known. Certainly one could still make the correct decision and leap into faith, but there would not be the resistance and the back-pressure of fear from that part of the self that wants to be safe and to control one’s life. When one leaps into faith, one is not in control. One is saying, “Not my will, but thine. Not my imperfect understanding, but the way of love.” And that is the reason for the veil.

    It is the combination of your free will as a seeker and the veil of forgetting that creates within you an implicit unawareness of the primacy of love that sets the shape of his path for the pilgrim. Each of you may be aware of the book called Pilgrim’s Progress by the one known as John. [5] In that figure of the pilgrim and his progress, there is an excellent analogy to the purpose of the veil. As one wins one’s way through life upon the King’s Highway, [6] every choice-point comes through one’s veil. And it is that pilgrim who prays for clarity and who asks where is the love in this choice that shall create within this density a bias toward service to others, towards love, towards radiance, that shall have tremendous impact, not simply upon this density now enjoyed by all of you, but upon the next two densities to come.
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    An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Oldern - 10-26-2011, 02:59 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by 3DMonkey - 10-26-2011, 03:44 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Daydreamin - 10-26-2011, 03:59 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Oldern - 10-26-2011, 04:29 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by 3DMonkey - 10-26-2011, 05:52 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Namaste - 10-26-2011, 06:19 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by 3DMonkey - 10-27-2011, 07:56 AM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by BrownEye - 10-27-2011, 02:37 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Unbound - 10-27-2011, 07:00 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by AnthroHeart - 04-04-2014, 12:57 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by 3DMonkey - 10-27-2011, 08:37 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Unbound - 10-27-2011, 09:42 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by 3DMonkey - 10-27-2011, 09:47 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Unbound - 10-27-2011, 09:52 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by 3DMonkey - 10-27-2011, 09:55 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Unbound - 10-27-2011, 10:00 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by 3DMonkey - 10-27-2011, 10:11 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by kycahi - 10-29-2011, 02:19 AM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Ankh - 12-21-2011, 12:50 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by godwide_void - 10-31-2011, 04:22 AM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by kycahi - 10-31-2011, 02:42 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by BrownEye - 10-31-2011, 03:14 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Tenet Nosce - 12-24-2011, 04:09 AM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Diana - 12-29-2011, 02:19 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Tenet Nosce - 01-07-2012, 01:10 PM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by Shin'Ar - 01-07-2012, 11:31 AM
    RE: An open discussion about the Veil and its importance - by native - 01-07-2012, 03:44 PM

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