12-30-2011, 05:48 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-30-2011, 06:21 AM by michaelangelo.)
Jesus was learning before he even came to the earth to dwell in the flesh.
Jehovah or the God of the old testament as he is often described is and was
the premortal name of the man who was to be later known as Jesus Christ.
he was the one that spoke to Moses and Abraham but was in a spiritual state before his physical exsistance on the earth. Jehovah under the direction of the Father and with the help from many of us that chose to be born onto an earth, were instrumental in its creation. So he was able to be taught by both his heavenly parents or the parents of his spirit and his earthly parents the parents of his flesh.
There was a plan put forth often described today as the plan of salvation, and the idea of this was that we would have the opportunity to become like our heavenly father and yes dare i say it our heavenly mother, that would require us to come to an earth such as this and to be tested to see if we would follow this plan. Lucifer or Satan was at this planning meeting but wanted to take the glory of the father for himself and so said basically that with my plan not one soul would be lost and they will all pass the test so to speak, but in exchange for this i wish to have all of the glory and to achieve this i will take away there free agency or the ability to choose for themselves. Gods plan was unknown to Satan at the time that we would have the choice to choose between good and evil and he new that he would loose some of his children by doing this but he also new that to be truly tested we would need to choose for ourselves. Satan and a third of his followers or in other words the spirits he was able to influence in the heavens, were cast out to roam the earth and will not receive a physical body as there punishment.
With regards to Adam and eve or our first parents if eve had not been persuaded to follow Satan's promptings then our first parents would have remained in a state of incense not knowing good from evil and never being able to exercise free agency to its fullest extent. So unknowingly and attempting to disrupt Gods plan Satan actually helped to fulfill it by moving Adam and Eve from a Immortal Innocent state to a Mortal state knowing good from evil and having the free agency to choose. As part of this plan God knowing that many would fall short of his expectations provided a redeemer Jesus Christ who actually chose to fulfill this role before the earth was even created. As the mediator between us and our heavenly father he took upon himself all the sins of the world, So that we could have the opportunity to repent from our wrong doings and change. But as mercy cannot rob justice a penalty had to be paid and Jesus Christ chose to pay this penalty for all who have ever lived all who do live and all that are still yet to live upon this earth. And through this sacrifice or Atonement, we can repent and have the opportunity to take the test again.
It may well mean that Jesus has taken upon himself all of the pain and suffering of this world and that we need not despair as the reason he has taken upon himself our burdens is so that we can learn to let him lift them from our shoulders and be free of them forever. So our pain and suffering is his scars and sacrifice.
Jehovah or the God of the old testament as he is often described is and was
the premortal name of the man who was to be later known as Jesus Christ.
he was the one that spoke to Moses and Abraham but was in a spiritual state before his physical exsistance on the earth. Jehovah under the direction of the Father and with the help from many of us that chose to be born onto an earth, were instrumental in its creation. So he was able to be taught by both his heavenly parents or the parents of his spirit and his earthly parents the parents of his flesh.
There was a plan put forth often described today as the plan of salvation, and the idea of this was that we would have the opportunity to become like our heavenly father and yes dare i say it our heavenly mother, that would require us to come to an earth such as this and to be tested to see if we would follow this plan. Lucifer or Satan was at this planning meeting but wanted to take the glory of the father for himself and so said basically that with my plan not one soul would be lost and they will all pass the test so to speak, but in exchange for this i wish to have all of the glory and to achieve this i will take away there free agency or the ability to choose for themselves. Gods plan was unknown to Satan at the time that we would have the choice to choose between good and evil and he new that he would loose some of his children by doing this but he also new that to be truly tested we would need to choose for ourselves. Satan and a third of his followers or in other words the spirits he was able to influence in the heavens, were cast out to roam the earth and will not receive a physical body as there punishment.
With regards to Adam and eve or our first parents if eve had not been persuaded to follow Satan's promptings then our first parents would have remained in a state of incense not knowing good from evil and never being able to exercise free agency to its fullest extent. So unknowingly and attempting to disrupt Gods plan Satan actually helped to fulfill it by moving Adam and Eve from a Immortal Innocent state to a Mortal state knowing good from evil and having the free agency to choose. As part of this plan God knowing that many would fall short of his expectations provided a redeemer Jesus Christ who actually chose to fulfill this role before the earth was even created. As the mediator between us and our heavenly father he took upon himself all the sins of the world, So that we could have the opportunity to repent from our wrong doings and change. But as mercy cannot rob justice a penalty had to be paid and Jesus Christ chose to pay this penalty for all who have ever lived all who do live and all that are still yet to live upon this earth. And through this sacrifice or Atonement, we can repent and have the opportunity to take the test again.
(04-25-2011, 02:03 PM)hogey11 Wrote:(04-25-2011, 05:45 AM)spero Wrote: The concept of the Christ was this: that intelligent infinity, as experienced by the Logos and with the bias of the Logos, would enter a third-density experience, not erasing the one known as Jesus’ personality or being, but coming into the closest possible harmony with that being. There needed to be one who wished to sacrifice an incarnation to the ever-increasing pleasure and agony of the Creator, experiencing what this instrument would call the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, for it is the nature of the Christ and the nature of third density that the two, perceiving each other, should react-the third density with a lack of understanding and the Christ with wonder, joy and sacrifice. Such is the sorrow of your illusion and the joy of sensation and communion.
In the end, Jesus the man became so able to bear both joy and agony that this entity stopped experiencing the Creator and for long periods of time became the Creator experiencing third density. Such is the perfect channeling of love. The achievement of the perfect channeling was the mystery of union between Creator and illusion.
After this bonding, the burden of channeling rather rapidly began to tire the master teacher, Jesus. At the time of the crucifixion, as this instrument calls it, there were almost no tears left. There were no bones unbroken, there was no companionship that had not been betrayed in one form or another. Nevertheless, Jesus the Christ lived well and did not stop the channeling until the breath left the physical vehicle. We witness to this Christ with thanksgiving and joy, not suggesting that any worship or not worship, but celebrating the Creator poured into a channel who could share in full the nature of the Logos, the nature of the Creator, the powerful, terrible, nature of Love.
Can I just copy-paste this over my crappy interpretation above???!?
Wow! Thanks for this spero; that was extremely enlightening!
A lot makes a lot more sense now. Awesome.
It may well mean that Jesus has taken upon himself all of the pain and suffering of this world and that we need not despair as the reason he has taken upon himself our burdens is so that we can learn to let him lift them from our shoulders and be free of them forever. So our pain and suffering is his scars and sacrifice.
(04-25-2011, 03:33 AM)kycahi Wrote:(04-24-2011, 09:08 PM)alanea Wrote: I am enjoying this conversation about Jesus as I certainly have not figured out what He means yet. Once I had a dream that I fail to truly understand. I was going through a very hard and painful time emotionally when I dreamed that Jesus was showing me the scars on his hands and he was telling me, "They are your scars." I still don't GET it. Really. Why are my scars on his hands?
IMHO: "My scars are your scars" because we are One.
As Ra said, revealing that his compassion exceeded his wisdom, Jesus decided, like that wonderful replicant in the movie, "Time to die." He must have thought, at that point, that his death was inevitable.
Truly though, throwing lightning bolts around was only one option: he could have just slipped away (poof) and met up with the followers somewhere out of town and kept going with his "ministry." Maybe he was too proud to be thought of as a sneak, or just too weary to keep going in the 3D, and that colored his judgment.
He did, By the way, "fulfill" Old Testament prophecies by going through with the hanging, according to a Sunday School teacher I had decades ago. I don't remember the details.