if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from?

[Bring4th_Austin]

We didn't just decide "oh I am separate because I'm not from this planet" - Ra volunteered the info, and it fit. It explained feelings we'd already had, before we knew or understood any of this stuff. It is what it is. I think it would be a disservice to ourselves to deny the truth of who and what we are.

I never said anything about denying the intuitive notion. Examining, maybe, denying, no.

Why would we want to "truly integrate into society?" That would mean being like everyone else - being violent, supporting wars, etc. That would totally negate the very reason we came here, which was to help raise the vibration of this planet.

You feel like every person who has successfully integrated into society is violent and supports wars? I have to disagree. I think it's extreme to classify every individual who integrates into society in those terms

What's the difference between integrating into society and integrating society into ourselves? This is what yellow ray deals with, identifying, observing, and integrating the societal self. If viewing these things (violence, wars, etc) stirs an emotional charge within you, that is essentially imbalance. If the emotional charge is so strong that the only way for someone to feel comfort is to believe they had no part in the creation or perpetuation of the society and they are only there to change it to what they think is best, I question the balance in that line of thought. Accepting and integrating what one feels within this society, whether wanderer or 3D native, is work of yellow ray balance. Wanderers didn't just come here for service, they also came here to learn and to balance. Saying integrating into society would "negate the reason we came here" seems backwards to me. Viewing this society with balanced acceptance I believe would be a major reason many Wanderers came here, as well as service.


I'll reiterate, I'm not saying all wanderers do this. I see it as a possible condition spawning from the wanderer theme.

We cannot fulfill our mission if we deny who we are.

So if one is using the idea of being a wanderer to deny a part of themselves (the reflection which society is showing them), then I can see how it can be detrimental to fulfilling one's mission.

I don't feel homesick any more. Understanding that I'm a Wanderer helped me to accept this place and now I feel excited to be here.

I'm not talking about you specifically. I apologize if you feel that way. I'm expressing these ideas as an idea to be examined, not as an examination of you personally. Using some of what you say you feel personally is only because it is common among wanderers, and I'm not trying to say that what you are expressing personally is what I am describing.

Many wanderers claim to feel a persistent homesickness.

Of course it wouldn't be found in a depression quiz...that's not really what I meant. I mean the medication commercials always seem to ask such ambiguous questions that everyone would relate to at some point or another, not the same exact questions you'd find in a wanderer quiz.

Well then, you certainly don't have to take the quiz seriously if you prefer not to! Again, I don't think Carla intended it to be comprehensive or authoritative. She simply offered it as a tool to help Wanderers understand what they had been experiencing and feeling. She based her questions on her own experiences and observations of other Wanderers.

I think you may have missed my point again. I'm not saying if you relate to those things it's only because of what I'm describing. I'm saying that someone who is having trouble integrating and accepting may latch on to these ideas as escapism and take on the mask of a wanderer because they cannot bring themselves to accept what they see around them.

Also, Ra says that if a 3D native had activated certain energy centers in a past lifetime then they are more easily activated in subsequent lifetimes. It could be the same as a wanderer remembering.

I was specifically referring to the attributes of green ray, which, presumably, Wanderers had already activated, but natives are learning for the first time.

Not necessarily. Harvestability is as much, if not more, about balance as it is about green ray activation. Someone may have activated green ray in multiple lifetimes but ultimately failed to balance and integrate their experience. We know that in these times specifically those near harvestability are have priority to incarnate.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. You seem to be rejecting what Ra has told us about Wanderers, and maybe even the very existence of Wanderers at all. You're free to do that, of course. Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding you.

You are misunderstanding, I'm not sure how you arrived at that. I ended my last post with "I'm definitely not saying that everyone who feels they are wanderers is using this as a method of escapism. I'm just proposing that it can be used as a cop out to accept this society."

It wouldn't have been 'elitist' to serve this child in the way that was appropriate for him, any more than working with a handicapped or mentally retarded child is 'elitist'. Both are special needs.

Recognizing that we are Wanderers isn't elitist, in my opinion.

This is again aside from what I was saying. Also from the last statement in my post: "We can remove the idea of an ego trip (elitism) and just examine the idea of viewing one as separate from the rest."

You story highlights the importance of recognizing our unique individuality, which I suppose can be done by recognizing one's status as a wanderer, but again I'm not talking about everyone who identifies as a wanderer.

This is exactly the sort of thinking I'm trying to pinpoint and bring up. You unintentionally set Wanderers above 3D natives by saying that, since Ron Paul has depth of understanding, he must be a wanderer.

I don't like the use of the word above. Was my son "above" the other children? No, of course not! Why must I negate who my son is? Why would I be considered "elitist" and "thinking my son is better than other children" just because I recognize his uniqueness?

In my original post I expressed a few issues I wanted to examine about the wanderer issue, and this is separate from essentially what I'm trying to discuss here. The issue of identifying others as wanderers simply because of their level of awareness is something I question aside from the idea of using the wanderer idea as escapism. I don't think my fickle train of thought served the conversation so I want to make that distinction now.

Regarding this, it was obviously important to distinguish your son's uniqueness for meeting his needs and allowing him to excel. What is the point of recognizing people like politicians or public figures as wanderers? That's a genuine question, not undue skepticism. I think we disagree that 3D natives and wanderers can both reach the same level of understanding. I feel like claiming someone who reaches a level of understanding or honesty must not be a 3D native is diminishing to the potential of 3D natives.

Is your older brother "above" you just because he's older?

He certainly thought so.

Now if I were going around intentionally analyzing everyone, categorizing them into STS, repeat 3D, harvestable, Wanderer, etc. well that wouldn't be cool, for the simple reason that I'm not qualified to do that. But sometimes, ya know, it just jumps out at me! I wasn't looking for it, but there it is. I didn't set out to analyze my neighbor as to whether she was harvestable or not; I just couldn't help but notice, because it's so obvious.

Where our mind goes, or when something we perceive "jumps out" at us, there's usually some function in the mind which causes this with some deeper meaning, asking to be examined. I'm not trying to say anything specifically here about what jumps out at you. Just a general thought I figured I'd share.

The requirements for a wanderer and a 3D native to be harvested are the same, and we know that wandering is a dangerous game because they don't always make it to harvestability, while some 3D natives do.

And some Wanderers even switch over to STS. It may be rare, but it happens. That doesn't negate the fact that many Wanderers retain their harvestability quite easily, as well as fulfilling their mission.

How do we know they retain harvestability easily?

I don't see recognizing the reality of who we are as "removing ourselves" or "elevating ourselves."

Not innately.

And anything can be used as a cop-out.

True, some things more than others.

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One can then have a different perspective and be proactive and accepting, rather than perplexed and defensive.

Perplexed and defensive being emotions which should be balanced on their own terms.