In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

I've never heard of animal sacrifice being used in a white magick working.

Not of the animal, but of the self. It's only taken from the self. It is not recommended, but can be used to "seal" a specific ritual.

Oh, well that's different then. We can do whatever we want to, to our own bodies. That's not the same as doing something to someone else's body.

I was referring to the blood of a victim. A victim wouldn't be sacrificed in a white magic ritual.

Interesting. Will read it tonight. =)

Here's more:

According to a growing body of new research investigating the human microbiome, who we are, biologically speaking, is much more diverse than we thought. The emerging findings indicate that our biological integrity and identity are intrinsically tied to the bacterial ecosystems, the communities living with us. Rather than an individual, separate body that is all “human,” the research indicates that we are more like a multi-organism ecosystem. “We need to start thinking of ourselves as super-organisms,” says Dr Julie Segre, senior investigator at the US N/ational Institute of Health.

...A biome is the total community of life occupying a major ecological zone or region, like a rain forest, desert, mountain range, fresh water marsh or a coral reef. A microbiome is a newer term, referring to ecological communities of microorganisms living in certain regions. The human microbiome is the collective genomes of all microorganisms present in or on the human body, from our skin to our lungs, from our mouth to the uro-genital tract. The biggest human microbiome ecosystem is in the gut.

Biologically, we live in a collective with microbial communities, trillions and trillions of them, without which there would be no cellular life.

...As the microbiome research progresses, the scientific thinking about the role of bacteria in human health is moving way past the simplistic view of bacteria as either pathologically dangerous or harmless squatters along for the ride. We’re learning how closely our bacterial communities are involved with the regulatory and information processing systems of our nervous system, endocrine and immune systems. There’s a continuous conversation, an ongoing non-stop stream of chemical signaling between our cells and systems and the bacterial communities living on us and in us. Our bodies are listening, talking and responding to the communication from these communities.

from http://www.ecology.com/2012/01/02/lives-...cosystems/

As far as STS entities using lower 2D entities (microbes) to do their bidding, Ra said that. I'd have to find the quote.

Please do.

I didn't find it on a quick search, sorry.

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That is a very good place to start from! Now again... ask why? Is it really just chemicals in the brain? If so- how to recreate the same chemical response without the addictive substance? If not- then what is the addiction really about? What purpose does it serve? And how can we serve that purpose in a healthier way?

Absolutely. But those questions are still in the realm of emotional/mental.

Ah- but there you have it! Does the body truly say... cigarette, drink, candy? Or does the mind interpret the craving to mean these? I propose the latter.

That's still emotional/mental.

It could- if the above is taken into account. Is the meth/heroin craving really about meth/heroin? Or is that just what it appears to be on the surface? If our "addiction cure" is focused all around the meth/heroin... is that perhaps reinforcing the distortion which resulted in the addiction in the first place? Are we then at cross-purposes to ourselves?

That's still emotional/mental/spiritual stuff.

Not to downplay the intense struggles that drug addicts go through, or some of the other examples you gave... but I've used quite a number of substances along the whole spectrum. Never had any of these severe withdrawal symptoms. Why is this? Is my body "special"? Do I have a "non-addict" gene? Or is something else going on?

It has been proven that some people are more susceptible to addictions than others. They're called addictive personalities.

Back in the 70s I had a boyfriend who got me into amphetamines. After about a year, I realized I was getting addicted. So I quit. Done.

It wasn't so easy for him. He struggled way more than I did. I have no idea whether he ever even quit altogether.

He probably had an addictive personality, whereas I didn't.

There is a physical component here. Yes, the mind can override the physical - just look at psychic healing - but there is still a physical component that can't be dismissed.

What I am suggesting is that "asking why" will eventually lead one to the realization that the body is not really asking for soda... it is asking for something else which can just as easily be met by a non-soda item.

Well, have you had any luck getting smokers to substitute some food item or something, instead of a cigarette?

Right.. which is why I used the word "cacao" instead of chocolate.

I made the distinction because those reading this might not know the difference.

I agree with you, but your response is tangential to my point. The point is... what is naturally present in the coffee/cacao/tobacco that is driving the craving? What function does that serve? And can we serve that function in a better way.

Sure. But that's still in the realm of emotional/mental. Once those aspects are addressed, then the body can transform the physical. But until then, it's a physical thing. And some have a harder time than others, because of genetics etc.

Taken to an extreme example: We've all had the experience of mind over matter. Even the medical establishment acknowledges the placebo effect.

But there are limits. I've never heard of anyone using their mind to regrow an amputated limb, for example.

No, not the nicotine! The beta-carbolines!

Sorry, that was just a typo. I got that.

It is a different chemical. I'm just trying to say... NOTICE... how hardly anybody knows about beta-carbolines. We hear all about the caffeine, the nicotine, etc. Why no talk of the beta-carbolines? There is plenty of research on them.

Simple. Because the 559 toxic chemicals in cigarettes override any positive benefits from the beta-carbolines.

As I said before, beta-carbolines are what enhance the effect of DMT... and DMT is what causes us to feel that sense of interconnectedness or "spirituality" that we seek... indeed the seeking of this feeling is at the very root of addiction, IMO.

As a side note on tobacco. Yes- we have undeniably conclusive evidence that smoking has deleterious effects on the body. However, two questions I have about that:

1. Were any of these studies conducted using all-natural, unadulterated tobacco? Or were they done using processed tobacco laden with all sorts of artificial chemicals?

I agree on this point.

2. Why is it an "all or nothing" thing when it comes to smoking? Why only the checkbox? Smoker or nonsmoker? Black or white? Does a person who smokes 3 all-natural cigarettes a day really carry the same risk of one who smokes a pack of Marlboros? Why the oversimplification? Is this really a truthful/responsible communication coming from the medical community?

Probably because the vast majority of smokers are smoking the commercial, chemical-laden variety. Not the occasional peace pipe in a ceremony like the Native Americans did.

(Although, as an aside, there is plenty of speculation that it was actually marijuana in that peace pipe, not tobacco.)

We all know that Ra didn't demand anything. But I don't think that can be used as a justification, as in, "Ra didn't tell the Egyptians to quite eating animals, so it must be ok." Did Ra tell them to quit fighting too? There are myriad things Ra might or might not have told them. I don't see this as relevant.

You brought Ra into the discussion, now they are irrelevant to it?

I didn't say Ra was irrelevant. I said whether Ra mentioned meat or not, is irrelevant, because they didn't go around telling people what to do.

Now, we're getting somewhere!

Fascinating! But... plants have symbiotic relationships with microorganisms as well...

Yeah, I knew that was coming!

Yes, plants depend on microbes, but it's mostly outside the plant. As far as I could tell from the bit of research I've done on this, plants don't have the complex internal ecosystems like animals do.

Check out this article from a website devoted to microbes:

http://www.edu.pe.ca/southernkings/microhabitats.htm

It lists all the places microbes live, in great detail. In the oceans, in our bodies, on the air, even high up in the sky.

many animals have more microbe cells than they have animal cells living in or on them, it is as if animals developed as homes for microbes.

Why didn't this say plants and animals?

They describe how some microbes can survive frigid temperatures or even boiling water, and how microbes live in slimey, decaying plants. And here, they just mentioned how animals have more microbes than actual animal cells!

With so much detail, yet nowhere does it say microbes live inside plants. The only mention is decaying plants, and the roots of plants. Which makes sense, since the roots must convert nutrients from the soil into the plant. So of course microbes function there. But I couldn't find anything about microbes living inside the plant itself.

Not saying they don't; only that I didn't find anything about that.

I find this very interesting.

And yet the body requires this "decay" to occur in the gut in order to support life. A paradox!

Not really. What is actually decaying? The food that was eaten, and waste from the metabolic process. The cells are growing and constantly being replaced.

Not a single cell in our body is more than 7 years old. Yet, we are obviously different from a corpse rotting in the ground. No regeneration there - just decay. The difference between life and death, physically speaking.

I understand that. And thank you for respecting my guidance system.

Yes! Do you know this is nearly all I work with in my practice? And I didn't set out for it to be that way... I started promoting as weight loss, hormone balance, and infertility... the universe brought me people with gut issues.

Cool!

Well I wonder whether plants have probiotic colonies inside...? hmmm...

The 2D entities can use us to do their bidding as well. Research has confirmed that gut bacteria can actually influence our personality, resulting in behaviors which we might not otherwise participate... including food choices.

That's on a physical level, yes indeed. But, knowing what we know about 2D entities - that they haven't developed individual sentience yet - and knowing what we know about higher STS entities using lower 2D entities to do their bidding - my guess is that behind the microbes is an STS entity, controlling them. (Somebody's gotta do the dirty work! That is how STS entities serve the Creator.)

We know that there are 'good' bacteria and 'bad' bacteria, right? So it makes sense to me that the colony of 'bad' bacteria are up to no good.

And we know that all the individual bacteria of any given strain, function as a single organism; ie. all the staph bacteria together, all over the world, collectively have a single consciousness.