In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

It is relevant to the thread. When it is suggested that vegetarianism is a more evolved existence, it is prudent to point out that the person from whose mouth came the spiritual writings we all admire would be classified as less evolved by self proclaimed more evolved admirers.

I disagree emphatically!! Carla has stated numerous times that she does not wish to be a guru. She just said it again last night. Please do not put her in that position.

Furthermore, none of the vegetarians has claimed to be more evolved. That is simply false. Please do not twist our words.

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still haven't found the answer to my pet food question,

It's in the thread. The whole thread is worth reading.

So does that mean organic produce (grown with blood meal fertilizer products) has the energy of the horror and death of the slaughterhouse ?

Not any more than anything else on this planet. It's unavoidable.

So should we eat non-organic, sacrificing our own bodies health with toxic chemicals, but avoiding contributing to the profits made from the death and horror of the slaughterhouse?

I don't think that's an effective approach at all. I disagree with purist vegans who try to avoid anything remotely connected to animal by-products. The use of animal by-products is so insidious that it's must impossible.

Check this out:

Blood.
From any slaughtered animal. Used as adhesive in plywood, also found in cheese-making, foam rubber, intravenous feedings, and medicines. Possibly in foods such as lecithin

So does that mean I can't buy plywood to use to build my compost bin? It's absurd. Impossible.

And lecithin? How did animal blood get into lecithin?

Bone Char.
Animal bone ash. Used in bone china and often to make sugar white. Serves as the charcoal used in aquarium filters. Alternatives: synthetic tribasic calcium phosphate.

Well now this is just crazy. Guess what? Bone char is the only medium that will completely remove fluoride from tap water! So what do we do? Continue to let them brainwash us by drinking the fluoride in the water, in order to avoid an animal by-product?

That would be counterproductive. Far more effective to campaign against fluoridating the water, while doing what we must to the extent necessary to remove the poison from our water.

Far more effective is to simply quit supporting the meat industry. Then there will be far less animal by-products, as a result. Get to the root of the problem, instead of trying to treat the symptom.

On the other hand, some things are more easily avoided, so why not avoid them whenever possible?

Collagen.
Fibrous protein in vertebrates. Usually derived from animal tissue. Can't affect the skin's own collagen. An allergen. Alternatives: soy protein, almond oil, amla oil (see alternatives to Keratin), etc

Gelatin. Gel.
Protein obtained by boiling skin, tendons, ligaments, and/or bones in water. From cows and pigs. Used in shampoos, face masks, and other cosmetics. Used as a thickener for fruit gelatins and puddings (e.g., Jell-O). In candies, marshmallows, cakes, ice cream, yogurts. On photographic film and in vitamins as a coating and as capsules. Sometimes used to assist in "clearing" wines. Alternatives: carrageen (carrageenan, Irish moss), seaweeds (algin, agar-agar, kelp—used in jellies, plastics, medicine), pectin from fruits, dextrins, locust bean gum, cotton gum, silica gel. Marshmallows were originally made from the root of the marshmallow plant. Vegetarian capsules are now available from several companies. Digital cameras don't use film.

Collagen and gelatin are relatively easy to avoid. So I avoid them, the same way I avoid preservatives and artificial colorings in foods: by reading the label. This isn't foolproof: look at how gelatin is even used in camera film! Fortunately, we now have digital cameras, so that takes care of that.

I'm not going to stress about things I cannot control. But why not just do my part, and not support the industry in the first place? If more people stopped eating meat, they would have less by-products and would be forced to find alternatives. So that's the way to deal with the by-product issue, in my opinion. Starve it at its source.

from http://www.peta.org/living/vegetarian-li...guide.aspx

I have found in my own life that there is so much resistance to thinking about issues like this around me, and very difficult to carry the weight of this on one person's shoulders living in a community of unawakened other-selves. Especially when there is a host of other issues and "battles" to address everyday, just to live and maintain health and wellness for a family. Just to earn a living to pay the bills!

Exactly! That's why we can't really obsess about every animal by-product. It's just impossible! But it's such a simple thing to just quit eating meat. It was harder 30 years ago. I had a heck of time finding anything vegetarian other than salads. But now, nearly every restaurant has something vegetarian. And oftentimes, it's a dish that's really satisfying - like a veggie burger, or lasagne, or potato and egg tacos, or rice and bean tacos, or Thai food with egg and tofu - so the person would be well-fed, and wouldn't even miss the meat. Some mainstream chains like Taco Cabana even have a vegan black bean taco, which doesn't use lard like the pinto beans.

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Another word that you used was the word "bid". I searched on the lawofone.info, both the word "bid" and "magic", and didn't come across any bidding done between third and second density. There is a bidding between a third and fourth density though. Perhaps you mixed it up?

No, I didn't mix it up. I'm 100% certain there was something about higher STS entities using lower 2D entities. I remember the concept, but not the exact words.

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Plants transmute our death and war back into life as a way to continue the life of this planet. We do a good job attempting to end the ability of this planet to host life, but the transformational ability of plant life continues.

I feel at home in the forests, looking down at the cities from a distance. In the city it just feels as if I am a cog in a machine. Synthetic, unnatural.

I find it interesting how many people feel alien to nature.

Plants are so amazing! Q'uo advised us to connect with Nature, during this transition time. It's amazing how many food-producing plants one can grow even in the city, in a small backyard or apartment balcony. There are dwarf fruit trees that can be grown in pots, and a few small pots on a ledge can host lettuce and other greens. And they are ridiculously easy to grow.

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But still the question I am asking has to do with the support for the system by the purchasing and using blood meal for fertilizer, blood meal is essentially processed "meat", so in using it we are feeding the meat to the plants that we eat.

It isn't necessary to use blood meal for fertilizer. It's just one of many possible ingredients for compost. I just got 20 55-pound bags of fresh and partially composted horse manure delivered, for my garden and compost bin. (Miraculously, it isn't stinking up my yard!) I add leaves and kitchen waste. And I have a worm colony. According to my compost books, I don't need animal blood.