In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

Monica- I truly mean this as a service and not a personal "attack" but I have noticed that you have a tendency to get "weary" or "tired" in a thread whenever a point is brought up that demonstrates a glaring contradiction in your words. Just an observation to ponder as you will.

You have got to be kidding. I have hung in there on this thread, while dozens of others have come and gone. I very very rarely ever leave a discussion. If anything, I've been accused of persisting too much.

It can't be both ways. I can't simultaneously be persisting too much and leaving when it gets uncomfortable.

Not true, Tenet. It's just not true. There is no contradiction in my words. I have been discussing an ideal to aspire to - the ideal of a lifestyle that doesn't support needless violence.

I have consistently refused to engage in any discussion about any particular person. If there was any merit to what you just said - that the I am dictating what others should eat - then surely I would have done so when people have asked. But I didn't.

On the contrary. At least a dozen or so people have pointedly asked me to assess their diets, as though seeking validation, approval, or an excuse from me. I have consistently refused. Why? Because I'm not interested in telling anyone what to do.

If some people cannot tell the difference between describing an ideal ("an ideal home is one with healthy, loving parents") and judging someone ("you are a bad mother") that isn't my fault.

I leave threads when they start going round in circles, or when people keep asking me to repeat stuff I've already said. If they can't or won't read the entire thread, why do they expect me to spend MY time repeating it for them?

Not to mention the absurdity and the irony of telling me - who has read every single post on this thread and responded to many, if not most, of them - that I don't want understanding. This, coming from someone who, as far as I can tell, has not read the whole thread.

Actually, I'm not confused at all. I think I get it now, loud and clear.

Beyond this- you have stated multiple times in this thread that you are just "trying to understand" how a spiritually-inclined person can reconcile meat eating with their beliefs. I have seen very intelligent and well-thought out replies by multiple people, including (but not limited to) Ali Quadir, wintersun, fairyfarmgirl, Richard, irpsit, Whitefeather, Lorna, thefool, litllady, Bring4th_GLB, Bring4th_Aaron, Bring4th_Steve, Pablísimo, Meerie, Namaste, @ndy, transiten, kycahi, abridgetoofar, TheEternal, and myself.

Each of these people has offered very thoughtful replies. Yet- you appear just as "confused" as you were three years ago. My apologies- I mean no offense- but this causes me to be a bit incredulous about your stated desire "to understand" where others are coming from. Seems to me that you have already decided that a spiritually-inclined person eating meat is "not understandable" to you, no matter what they say.

Sorry, but I am calling BS. I don't think you really want to understand this.

You can call it whatever you like, Tenet. It seems to me that you are the one making this personal. I have never attacked you. Why you have suddenly decided to attack me, I have no idea.

I have done the same thing throughout this entire thread - sought to have a respectful, intelligent discussion about spiritual principles as pertaining to the unnecessary torture and slaughter of sentient beings.

Yes, many have offered their views, but they have been mostly defensive. What's BS is saying I haven't sought to understand them, or that I haven't honored and respected them.

If I was interested in judging others, then why didn't I say anything to yossarian when he told us he had started eating meat again?

Why did I comment that his post was 'profound'?

Why did I have a highly respectful discussion with someone who raises and kills animals, and even tell him he is working for the same cause I am?

This is BS, Tenet. Monkey, I get. But you?

I'll tell you what gets a rise out of me. It's when people insist on turning something personal.

If you people are having trouble dealing with your own suppressed guilt about your contribution to violence, don't take it out on me.

Now THAT was judgmental. Intentionally so.

I'm done with this.

It took me 101 pages to get pissed off.

Now I'm pissed off.

Good idea, plenum. I think I shall.

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