04-01-2012, 07:47 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-01-2012, 08:14 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
(04-01-2012, 06:51 PM)yossarian Wrote: I wasnt a fruitarian. I ate veggies, nuts, and seeds as well. I thought you said that each person has their own special dietary needs, but now you're saying fruitarians are unhealthy?
For me, raw food veganism was an ethical modification to the Paleolithic diet.
Thanks for clarifying, and my apologies if I misrepresented your views. I see now you were recommending a high-fruit raw vegan diet. However, my reaction to them hasn't changed. Instead of simply sharing what worked for you, or rather what you thought was working for you, the reply you gave way back in the beginning of the thread implies that you are speaking from some sort of expertise. It is matter-of-fact. And there are certain elements of it which I thought were (and still think are) potentially harmful advice. In particular- where you claim that 25 grams of protein is all the body needs to function in a day. It's just not something that I will stand for if I happen to come across it.
Do you know that an obese person could get severely ill, or even die from eating that little protein, for any extended period of time? Especially if they were exercising hard to try and lose weight.
Also- nuts are optional? Then tell me- where does a raw vegan get the essential fatty acids the body requires for their neurological and immune systems to function properly? Do you know that the body could develop severe neurological and inflammatory disorders if the diet becomes that omega-3 deficient? Did that factor into your post anywhere? Or were you just parroting what you heard from a food guru as if it were "God's Word" on diet?
Sorry to single you out- I am certainly not judging you as a person based on a single post of yours from three years ago- but that particular post is representative of a certain kind of conversation that I happen to feel is a gross disservice to humanity. I would have reacted the same if you were promoting Atkins as right for every body, or South Beach as right for every body.
It is not so much the raw veganism that I am opposed to as the "right for every body" tone. In another thread you recently lamented about mindless followers of guru-types, and used DW as an example. Well... this is one mechanism by which the mindless following occurs... because people feel it is appropriate to speak authoritatively on a subject in this way- and the "crowd" is more wiling to follow whomever speaks with the most conviction, rather than the most information.
Can you see how these are connected?
We've got people like DW out there speaking authoritatively on a subject that is completely beyond his scope and expertise. Source field theories and Disclosure are his purview... but telling everybody how to eat? I don't think so, and especially when every other blog post talks about some or another illness he perhaps should think twice about whether he has been fed some BS about diet, and is now spreading that BS around to his "followers".
To my view- this type of activity carries orders of magnitude more karmic weight than does meat eating.
I understand you have changed your views since then, and have re-incorporated meat eating. As I said back in that other post- I am actually curious to understand what goes on in a person's mind when they are so sure about one thing, and later come back around to the opposite. Are you so sure about your diet now, as you were then?
How do you feel now about having broadcasted to the world that raw vegan was the "best way" and that nobody should eat apples?