04-04-2012, 05:42 AM
(04-03-2012, 05:38 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Why do they speak as though being a vegetarian is a lot of work?
It is a lot fo work for me. Can't speak for others.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:It simply isn't.
It is for me.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:If anything, it's easier.
It is not for me.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:You will save $$ on your grocery bill, and maybe even on healthcare costs long-term.
I did not. On contrary, it was more expensive for me.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:It's simply a myth, that becoming a vegetarian takes more time, money or work. That's simply not true.
It was true for me. I was vegetarian for many years. I started to be a vegatarian in my teens, and even thought that the ultimate thing would be to not to eat anything that is living in the nature, but what nature has to offer, such as fruits, some seeds, nuts etc. When I got pregnant, I had to start to eat the meat again. I've tried to go veg since then, couple of times. But it takes more time, more money and more work - for me, which I don't have right now. So it is simply true - for me. I don't have that time and that energy - for the moment.
You can speak for yourself, but not for other people. Perhaps this is what causing friction, harshness, and rough and tough tone in this thread? I am not talking about you specifically, because as Tenet pointed out, this is a group energy. (We are all kind of stuck with each other infinitely in that oneness I've heard about )
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Going veg is easy! It really really is!
It's not for me. It really isn't.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:No vegetarian on this forum has said anything that shot anyone down, or imposed guilt on them. I invite you to consider where the guilt is coming from. It's not coming from me, Pickle, Diana, yossarian, Pablisimo, or any of the other vegetarians (if there are others I've missed).
I wasn't speaking to you personally in my post. I was speaking to another member about things that I spoke of in that post to that member. And I wish to not to be stuck now in a debate of who is doing what, because as Tenet pointed out this is a group energy. What I can say is that no matter how much encouragement and messages of self respect I may try to bring, if other selves would rather believe in messages of guilt, disempowerment and disencouragement - then it is their difficult lessons that they are very hard trying to learn, Monica. Their choices will not stop me though from trying to bring these messages over and over again. Words have power, and we can either use them to create walls, or bridges. Some services/words that we bring to others are disempowering and discouraging, and not seeing the human behind the message they are written to, but are addressed to invisible readers; and some services/words are empowering that human being they are written to, and encouriging him/her.
Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Guilt, when there's nothing we can do, is counterproductive.
Guilt, when there IS something we can do, serves a purpose.
I would rather not give *any* messages *at all* that would bring people guilt, as I believe it to be a negative catalyst, that is already provided in abundance upon this planet.
(04-03-2012, 07:44 PM)Shemaya Wrote: Isn't this the way STS gain their bonus points? By controlling people - usually by disempowering them.
I agree with you. One does not have to be a polarized serving to self entity in order to disempower other selves. One can be in the sinkhole of indifference, or even be positively polarized, and yet, sometimes, disencourage and disempower other selves. Maybe because of not yet processed catalysts/distortions? But disempowering other people and creating guilt is something that is NOT serving other selves in a positive sense, imho.
Shemaya Wrote:Our thoughts are powerful. They don't just affect ourselves.
I totally agree! You know, I was thinking about the negative thoughts that I have about myself sometimes, and I realized that these thoughts I am thinking about myself - I would *never* think in such ways about others! And it was like a lightning that struck me - that these thoughts *do* affect me. That they hurt! They hurt me badly, but since they are not spoken, or visible so I can see them, they oftentimes pass through me *without me noticing them*, but they do hurt. And I guess that since they hurt me, they also hurt others too...
Shemaya Wrote:And as @ndy said, there are those STS entities with agendas that seek to disempower. One of those ways is in creating a guilt- complex, which they effectively did when the teachings of Jesus were corrupted and made into a religion. That is what I am finding uncomfortable in the thread, the implication that guilt is a good motivation for our actions and choices. To me that is a disempowered way of choosing.
I agree with you.
Shemaya Wrote:Thank you Ankh, it's feels good to be understood, we are each perfect in our own way, I agree.
I agree, building others up, gratitude and appreciation, encouraging each other to believe in ourselves, this will raise the vibe and move us from the yellow ray to the heart.
I agree. We are all trying so hard to do what we can, but each is being unique and offering its own unique services. I wish that we could also, soon, start serving each other here, in this forum, by encouraging and empowering each other, understanding each other's differences, accepting them as our own and building bridges between us. Maybe we will succeed soon? I've heard something about Gaia being in fourth density already. /