In regards to eating meat

[Pablísimo]

I'm referring to when they reject any opportunity to become aware of the reality. They don't care enough to even become aware in the first place.

Ahh, ok, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying!

For the record, I have stated multiple times that I strongly disagree with all vandalism methods. I had a (former) friend who accosted women with fur coats. She would go up to women in the grocery store and almost spit on them. She did the same thing to Christians and pro-lifers. She isn't a member of PETA. She's just a jerk. I went round and round with her countless times, to no avail. She just didn't get it. People like that really mess it up for the rest of us. People like that are found in various organizations. They're fringe.

I'm glad you said that. The reason is that I have seen you make those statements multiple times on this thread. You made it very clear, it's a given for me that you don't support violent actions towards others and their property. But the thread is so long, it may be some of the folks reading now don't realize that, so I'm glad you pointed it out. Not that you should have to!

Never in a million years could I imagine you advocating vandalism or being a jerk like that about the fur coats.

Does PETA still do stuff like that? Do they endorse, it or are they just fringe members who give them a bad name? I hadn't heard about them doing stuff like that in recent years, so I thought it was a fringe group back in the 80s. Are you saying PETA officially endorses vandalism? Last I heard, they disavowed those things. But I haven't kept up with them so maybe I'm wrong.

No, I don't think it's officially sanctioned by PETA at all. I certainly don't want to misrepresent them, so thank you for calling me out on that. It is fringe members doing the vandalism from what I can tell, but I also think that it is representative of a certain "in your face" extreme mentality that seems prevalent in the material they produce. But I don't want to smear the whole organization by the actions of a few, just like the abortion bombings don't represent the majority of the pro-life camp. You're right to make a distinction.

Maybe I've been missing a lot of news about PETA, but to me, PETA means websites with good statistical info, good videos exposing the horrors of the meat industry, and catchy billboards.

The videos and statistical info you are referring to are the good things I see them doings. As for the billboards, I'm still not quite convinced that the shock value and guilt that they seem to produce in people is actually helping the cause.

We've talked briefly about this in the past, but I still really struggle to see the value in the more extreme ads. It may be that I can't see it because of how affected I am when around other people who are upset, plus the emotional reactions *I* have to those images. I prefer a gentler approach than the in your face ads and the guilt they seem to to provoke. But this may be my own distortions and bios -- my opinion is more a reflection of my own inner landscape than an objective analysis. It's still very hard for me to view those images. After all these years, it still gets to me.

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