In regards to eating meat

[yossarian]

I don't know what the discussion is about anymore. It is reinforcing my opinion that you can't think about thought without being thought because you are thinking. You can't discuss a discussion without being part of the discussion you are discussing.

and this drives your fatalism?

epistemology is well worn territory. Yes, it's hard to think about thought but it can be done and a level of clarity can be found.

The nature of our lives is subjective and this issue applies to every aspect of our existence. The subjective perspective--our perspective--is valuable for itself, regardless of it's bearing on objective phenomenon. This is precisely what I was getting at in your last post when you quoted Ra. You have this skeptical fatalism that nothing can be known and therefore we shouldn't think. I have the same skeptical fatalism but I value thinking for its own sake, as just another way of self-expression, just another way of living, and especially as a way to grow into The Creator.

You betray yourself as an extroverted thinker with this comment. Why do you devalue your own subjective experience? It is your subjective experience that is the essence of spirituality.

Whether someone values their own subjective experience is, in my opinion, a core question of self-esteem. No subjective experience can ever be conclusively proven to be of value through objective methods. This causes some people to devalue their experience and have low self-esteem. It causes others to embrace life and recognize that their life, if it's unprovable, is also unshackled with respect to outside restraints.

This realization by you 3Dmonkey can be seen as the ultimate freedom or the ultimate prison. It's liberating if you value your subjective experience, and imprisonining and life-stifling if you only value the objective.