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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Strictly Law of One Material Archetypes of Mind, Body, & Spirit The Choice

    Thread: The Choice


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    04-08-2012, 08:46 PM
    Ra Wrote:Furthermore, there are relationships betwixt mind, body, and spirit of the same location in octave, for instance: one, eight, fifteen, and relationships within each octave which are helpful in the pursuit of The Choice by the mind/body/spirit complex. The Logos under which these foundations stand is one of free will. Thusly the foundations may be seen to have unique facets and relationships for each mind/body/spirit complex. Only twenty-two, The Choice, is relatively fixed and single.


    Ankh Wrote:Relationships are helpful in the *pursuit* of the Choice makes me to interpret it as in *this is it*. The Choice is culmination, and the goal. *The only thing that is important*..?

    (Then when they say that the Choice is fixed and single and unifying, I still wonder what that means? I think that it has something to do with all that I am trying to understand now...)

    Shin'Ar Wrote:What Ra was pointing out is that in those other cards choice and free will were paramount in their meaning. BUT in 22, or card 0 as I apply it, this is the only card where choice is not a factor. The goal is fixed because the character here has no choice. the civilization he has escaped from is in ruins and lost behind him. the right hand path that he had known all his life is suddenly gone and he has no choice but to embark on this new path.

    What confuses me is that even though Ra understands the meaning of this card, they still choose to name it The Choice.

    It is often said that we have no choice but to choose. Even if we refuse to choose, we still make a choice, however impotent that choice may be. It may be seen that the paradox of freedom is that it can only exist within an experience of limitation.

    In my interpretation of Ra's words, there is a distinction between the 3D Choice and free will as a Logoic concept. In reference to the Logos, free-will can be translated as "uniqueness". In giving free-will to its creation, the Logos blinds itself to the choices made by this creation by bestowing upon it its own Infinite Uniqueness. There are facets of my infinity which none of you can ever guess, just as there are facets of your infinity that I can never guess. This is how you have free will in the primordial sense. This free will existed even before the Veiling and thus before the Choice.

    But there is a second sense of free will which is at stake here: the freedom to make the Choice. This could not exist without the Veiling because before the Veiling, the Ego-self was non-existent. The Choice is made by the Ego-self (a portion of the Significator of the Mind), and the extension of free will via the Choice represents the birth of the Ego-self as a Creator in its own right. Its Creatorhood is not the same as the Creatorhood of your soul: it does not have the same dimensions of uniqueness. Yet, in its freedom, the Ego-self is capable of an infinite range of ethical grey-areas which are not possible without the Veiling.

    Given this context, we can say that the Choice is fixed and single insofar as there is no great uniqueness of perception concerning this card. Each of us will ultimately perceive the Choice the same way: do you choose Good or Evil? The concepts of Good and Evil are pretty well agreed upon by now. What is not agreed upon is the ethical "oughts" concerning these concepts. In any case, the absence of free will that I see in this card is an absence of ability to view the Choice as a goal differently. It is said that the paths are many but the goal is the same.
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    The Choice - by Ankh - 03-19-2012, 06:56 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 03-19-2012, 10:37 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Plenum - 03-19-2012, 12:21 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 03-20-2012, 03:30 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Plenum - 03-20-2012, 07:48 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 03-23-2012, 02:15 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 03-19-2012, 01:42 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Bring4th_Austin - 03-19-2012, 01:45 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Plenum - 03-19-2012, 02:10 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 03-19-2012, 02:40 PM
    RE: The Choice - by kycahi - 03-19-2012, 04:12 PM
    RE: The Choice - by uniphi - 04-09-2012, 04:00 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Conifer16 - 03-19-2012, 03:31 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Shemaya - 03-20-2012, 07:14 AM
    RE: The Choice - by abstrktion - 03-19-2012, 06:35 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Plenum - 03-19-2012, 08:43 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 03-20-2012, 09:32 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Confused - 03-20-2012, 10:56 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 03-20-2012, 11:04 AM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 03-20-2012, 04:16 PM
    RE: The Choice - by βαθμιαίος - 03-20-2012, 06:39 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 03-20-2012, 07:18 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 03-20-2012, 07:28 PM
    RE: The Choice - by abstrktion - 03-21-2012, 11:03 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 04-08-2012, 05:20 PM
    RE: The Choice - by βαθμιαίος - 04-08-2012, 09:15 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Confused - 04-09-2012, 01:55 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 04-08-2012, 06:43 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 04-08-2012, 08:46 PM
    RE: The Choice - by kycahi - 04-09-2012, 01:37 AM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 04-09-2012, 07:36 AM
    RE: The Choice - by uniphi - 04-09-2012, 04:49 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 04-09-2012, 04:59 PM
    RE: The Choice - by uniphi - 04-09-2012, 05:22 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 04-09-2012, 09:24 AM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 04-09-2012, 08:12 PM
    RE: The Choice - by uniphi - 04-09-2012, 08:32 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Plenum - 04-27-2012, 01:38 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 05-23-2012, 09:09 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 05-24-2012, 10:34 AM
    RE: The Choice - by AnthroHeart - 05-23-2012, 09:16 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Oceania - 05-24-2012, 12:50 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Brittany - 05-24-2012, 12:57 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 05-24-2012, 02:52 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 05-25-2012, 11:22 AM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 05-24-2012, 08:18 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 05-24-2012, 09:12 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Cyan - 05-25-2012, 05:35 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 05-25-2012, 06:34 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Cyan - 05-25-2012, 06:37 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 05-25-2012, 06:44 PM
    RE: The Choice - by abstrktion - 05-25-2012, 10:10 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 05-26-2012, 02:06 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 05-26-2012, 06:38 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 05-27-2012, 08:55 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 05-28-2012, 10:38 AM
    RE: The Choice - by abstrktion - 05-27-2012, 03:08 PM
    RE: The Choice - by AnthroHeart - 05-25-2012, 11:12 PM
    RE: The Choice - by abstrktion - 05-26-2012, 01:03 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 05-27-2012, 12:07 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 05-28-2012, 11:16 AM
    RE: The Choice - by AnthroHeart - 05-27-2012, 09:05 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 05-27-2012, 11:02 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 05-28-2012, 09:04 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Aaron - 05-28-2012, 11:07 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Patrick - 05-28-2012, 10:05 AM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 06-07-2012, 10:12 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Plenum - 06-08-2012, 08:21 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Patrick - 06-08-2012, 08:40 AM
    RE: The Choice - by AnthroHeart - 09-05-2012, 05:03 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 06-08-2012, 06:37 PM
    RE: The Choice - by AnthroHeart - 06-08-2012, 07:00 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 06-09-2012, 11:23 AM
    RE: The Choice - by βαθμιαίος - 06-09-2012, 12:05 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 06-11-2012, 08:37 AM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 06-10-2012, 10:40 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 09-05-2012, 04:38 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Parsons - 10-13-2012, 01:02 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 12-13-2012, 10:15 AM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 12-16-2012, 07:41 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-05-2013, 03:21 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Plenum - 01-05-2013, 03:33 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-05-2013, 03:37 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 01-05-2013, 08:54 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-05-2013, 09:50 PM
    RE: The Choice - by kycahi - 01-07-2013, 03:49 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 01-08-2013, 12:40 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-08-2013, 03:44 PM
    RE: The Choice - by almostdone - 01-05-2013, 10:48 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-05-2013, 11:36 PM
    RE: The Choice - by almostdone - 01-06-2013, 12:02 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-06-2013, 12:16 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 01-06-2013, 08:03 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-06-2013, 02:21 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 01-08-2013, 05:05 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-08-2013, 06:48 PM
    RE: The Choice - by βαθμιαίος - 01-08-2013, 07:07 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-08-2013, 07:08 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Spaced - 01-08-2013, 07:15 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-08-2013, 07:18 PM
    RE: The Choice - by βαθμιαίος - 01-08-2013, 07:16 PM
    RE: The Choice - by βαθμιαίος - 01-08-2013, 07:26 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-08-2013, 07:40 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Spaced - 01-08-2013, 07:58 PM
    RE: The Choice - by βαθμιαίος - 01-08-2013, 07:45 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-08-2013, 09:33 PM
    RE: The Choice - by βαθμιαίος - 01-08-2013, 09:46 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Tenet Nosce - 01-09-2013, 12:27 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 01-08-2013, 08:02 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Cyan - 01-09-2013, 08:07 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Peregrinus - 01-10-2013, 02:42 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 01-10-2013, 12:50 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Shin'Ar - 01-10-2013, 02:42 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Cyan - 01-10-2013, 09:17 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Peregrinus - 01-10-2013, 09:22 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 01-13-2013, 11:39 AM
    RE: The Choice - by βαθμιαίος - 01-13-2013, 12:01 PM
    RE: The Choice - by AnthroHeart - 01-13-2013, 02:01 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Aaron - 01-13-2013, 04:23 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 01-13-2013, 08:51 PM
    RE: The Choice - by βαθμιαίος - 01-17-2013, 10:27 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 01-17-2013, 11:53 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 03-28-2013, 05:36 AM
    RE: The Choice - by dandan - 03-28-2013, 08:54 AM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 03-28-2013, 11:09 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 04-03-2013, 01:02 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 05-06-2013, 02:06 PM
    RE: The Choice - by dandan - 03-28-2013, 11:27 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 03-28-2013, 06:00 PM
    RE: The Choice - by AnthroHeart - 04-03-2013, 02:47 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ashim - 04-03-2013, 02:59 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 05-08-2013, 06:56 PM
    RE: The Choice - by ricdaw - 08-07-2014, 12:44 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 08-07-2014, 01:37 PM
    RE: The Choice - by AnthroHeart - 08-08-2014, 09:48 AM
    RE: The Choice - by ricdaw - 08-08-2014, 10:37 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 08-08-2014, 12:19 PM
    RE: The Choice - by xise - 08-08-2014, 12:30 PM
    RE: The Choice - by ricdaw - 08-08-2014, 01:31 PM
    RE: The Choice - by xise - 08-08-2014, 02:08 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Patrick - 08-09-2014, 09:24 AM
    RE: The Choice - by AnthroHeart - 08-09-2014, 02:11 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 04-08-2017, 08:31 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 04-24-2017, 04:50 PM
    RE: The Choice - by sunnysideup - 04-24-2017, 10:44 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Jade - 04-25-2017, 09:50 AM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 05-07-2017, 11:44 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 05-11-2017, 07:32 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Infinite Unity - 05-15-2017, 12:26 PM
    RE: The Choice - by sunnysideup - 05-13-2017, 07:55 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Infinite Unity - 05-07-2017, 01:43 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Jade - 05-12-2017, 12:58 AM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 05-12-2017, 04:20 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Jade - 05-13-2017, 01:12 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Jade - 05-13-2017, 10:19 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 05-15-2017, 07:46 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 05-15-2017, 08:25 PM
    RE: The Choice - by JustLikeYou - 05-16-2017, 09:17 AM
    RE: The Choice - by native - 05-16-2017, 11:21 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Jade - 05-23-2017, 05:00 PM
    RE: The Choice - by Pasha123 - 01-28-2019, 05:56 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Nau7ik - 02-12-2019, 09:56 AM
    RE: The Choice - by AnthroHeart - 02-12-2019, 11:28 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Nau7ik - 02-13-2019, 09:49 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Nau7ik - 05-24-2019, 09:00 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Ankh - 12-16-2019, 01:30 AM
    RE: The Choice - by Nau7ik - 12-22-2019, 09:54 AM
    RE: The Choice - by ricdaw - 04-21-2020, 07:57 PM
    RE: How does this help me with life and/or adept work? - by Plenum - 06-23-2014, 08:44 PM
    RE: How does this help me with life and/or adept work? - by Adonai One - 06-23-2014, 09:15 PM
    RE: How does this help me with life and/or adept work? - by Plenum - 06-24-2014, 09:05 AM
    RE: How does this help me with life and/or adept work? - by Adonai One - 06-24-2014, 04:07 PM

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