In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

the only way to bring an end to these is to transcend the dualistic mindset from which they are born.

Choice precedes transcendence. Neglecting to choose, with faced with compassion vs non-compassion, isn't transcendence.

Having an "anything goes" attitude isn't transcendence.

I don't perceive the value in causing myself to suffer over the perceived suffering of others.

Who said anything about promoting personal suffering? Having compassion, and making the choice to no longer contribute to the suffering of others, doesn't require personal suffering.

In my opinion- you are a part of it, whether you like it or not. In my opinion, drawing lines between "you" and "I" or "us" and "them", is actually at the root of all suffering. Thus, making those lines harder or even more well-defined cannot be the answer.

The Law of Once includes Choice. We are in the density of choice.

I see a prevalent attitude here in this community, to attempt to apply Oneness, while leaving out Choice.

"changing the world" is a very cunning distraction from the true work which is internal.

They are the same.

By focusing on self only, while neglecting the outer-self, is separating self from the whole.

However, I also acknowledge that distractions are part of the overall spiritual journey.

Compassion is one of the keys to polarizing STO. How could that possible be a distraction?

In my further opinion, the doctrine of harmlessness, or ahimsa, is a cornerstone of a very cunning and crafty STS plot to keep people chained to the lower densities.

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A second cornerstone in the STS agenda is the doctrine of karman which says that the spirit can become "defiled" by food substances taken into the body. Both of these doctrines are heavily promoted in the Jainist philosophy and are often piggy-backed onto the practice of yoga and thus are Trojan-horsed into pop Western culture.

So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you don't consider the support of brutally and killing torturing sentient creatures STS, but you consider the avoidance of eating said creatures out of a belief that it is defiling, to be STS?

If we really and truly want to bring an end to suffering "in the world" then I would highly recommend that we start with our own selves.

Taken to its extreme, ie. caring about our own comfort and not having compassion for others, that would be STS polarizing.

Then, when we have learned how to put an end to our own suffering, perhaps we will be more fully empowered to help end the suffering of others, including our animal-selves.

I think that's backwards. Ask anyone who has forgotten all about their own suffering by immersing themselves in helping others.

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You say "many vegans"; are you referring to the people involved in this thread?

Do we even have any vegans in this thread? You, Pablisimo and I are all vegetarians. I'm an 'almost' vegan' but don't quite qualify. Maybe Pickle? Any others?

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Ra gave information because they were asked. Of the information they provided, as regard diet, they said:

We do not suggest any hard and fast rulings of diet although we may suggest the virtue of the liquids.

They also listed plant foods, and "animal products to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism."