In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

actually what we are doing to animals is genocide

Yes it really is.

when u look at it. except we arent extincting them but we are harvesting them.

It's even worse, because they are being artificially managed with hormones etc. so that they are forced to multiply at obscene numbers, just to be tortured and killed.

If these animals had been left in the wild, natural predators would have kept their populations down to normal size. But with factory farming, we have a disproportionately huge population of these animals, in abnormal environments, with unnatural diets, to the point that their excretory gases are affecting the planet's atmosphere.

It's forcing these beings to reproduce rapidly, only to have their children taken away, and then they are forced to watch others of their kind be killed, while they smell the stench of fear and hear the cries. And it never ends.

It's worse than genocide, which would just kill them off and be done with it.

and again i am not a vegan but i am honest with myself and that is how i honestly see it.

I'm glad to hear that you see it!

if we were actually to look at what is done to animals we would have to examine what we do in every part of our lives. dropping 5000 lb bombs on people , destroying their infrastructure, is totally compassionless. and then we could look at how we treat each other. i mean do we care how people survive on the minimum wage. do we care about the absolute crap conditions that some people live in . i do think monica that all of these things are tied together is a way and that when the wrapper comes off and we honestly start to question what the hell we are doing we will have an avalanche of change that cannot be stopped. once the damn of cold heartedness is broken an ocean of love is going to flow into this world . just my feelings,

I hope you're right, norral. I used to think that too, but after this thread, I am now despairing that it will ever happen. This thread has shown me that even spiritually oriented people still don't see it. So how can others see it?