(04-26-2012, 01:14 AM)Shemaya Wrote: Do you not understand that you going to such an extreme comparison is most likely a desire for you to find inside of me, to search for hate. We shouldn't be here encouraging one another to burn with anger toward an entity.
What made it extreme? That Monkey's children were mentioned, or that a comparison to any human children was made?
It is the latter. In the early days of this thread, I offered the same analogy, but in a generic form. I didn't refer to anyone specific, but just said "a pedophile abusing children" and I got pounced on as though I had said something highly offensive!
Why? what is so offensive about comparing violence towards a 3D entity, to violence towards a high-2D entity?
We are trying to argue the case the animals are worthy of compassion too. The only way to do that, is to use an analogy of something that people already do have compassion for: violence towards a human child.
What is so offensive about that? (Again, setting aside any particular person or their children, and just looking at a generic version of the analogy.)
(04-26-2012, 12:34 AM)Shemaya Wrote: It's really not worth it, this thread is just like someone said, worthy of a huge bonfire...I will probably print it up and burn it myself.
Yes, as soon as someone who eats animals gets offended, the whole thread should go in the trash. Never mind how many times the vegetarians have been attacked and spat upon.
This is a volatile topic. Emotions run high. Every so often, one of us is going to say something that isn't perfect. Why? Because none of us is perfect.
All this talk of compassion and acceptance...where is the compassion and acceptance of our other-selves who feel strongly about a topic?? I even asked if anyone had developed more compassion for the vegetarians, and got a loud silence.
It works both ways...Compassion and acceptance for the other-selves who are feeling uncomfortable, for whatever reason, as well as compassion and acceptance for the other-selves who have strong convictions, without expecting them to give up their convictions. Why can't we all just forgive one another, when one of us says something that pushes another's buttons, instead of right away withdrawing our love and participation?
(04-26-2012, 01:22 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Well, you are looking in the wrong places.
Remember your beloved toy from childhood, then one you attached yourself to for so many years?
Remember the first time your left your child with a sitter?
Can you imagine what it would be like if everyone got along during this year's holidays?
These are beginnings points to find compassion.
Those are all fine, but you are evading my question. WHY NOT ask for compassion for the animals?
Why is this such a radical idea?? And considered 'extreme' even?? Why?