In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

Exactly! That's what it comes down to in the end anyway. It's not that I am shying away from debating the scientific point of view. It's just that I have debated the science of nutrition (including the China Study) for countless hours already. And in my experience, nothing positive ever came out of it. I mean, the whole point would be to try to convince the other party and from a spiritual standpoint such an exercise is not only futile but IMHO even counter productive.

Whew! That's a relief! for a minute there I thought you wanted to debate science, which I'm not qualified to do. I agree 100%! In fact, I think all of us can and do find evidence to support whatever we want to believe, or whatever we're ready and willing to believe.

Therefore, whenever I offer any info as 'evidence' it's only an offering to consider; never proof because the idea of 'proof' is kinda meaningless.

I am shying away from trying to make my other selves understand my point of view. I prefer trying to understand the point of view of my other selves instead.

Trying to 'make' someone understand is controlling. Whereas, trying to be very clear in one's choice of words, and doing one's best to facilitate understanding, but without attachment to whether the other person agrees or not, is entirely different.

Conversely, to knowingly allow a misunderstanding, when it might be cleared up with a little effort at better communication, is irresponsible. (NOT directed at you...just speaking in generalities here.)

So I don't think it need be an 'either/or' proposition as in, either try to make the other person understand OR seek to understand the other person.

I prefer to think of it as simultaneously striving to be as clear as one can be, to reduce misunderstanding and misinterpretation, while also seeking to understand the other person, keeping in mind that they might not be as diligent in choosing their words carefully to minimize misunderstanding.

While being unattached to outcome...because ultimately, no matter how clear we are, we all have our biases and they will filter whatever is said.

But, sometimes it really does pay off, because the other person might just be on the verge of opening their mind to some new understanding, and we might just be the vehicle for delivering that message to them. Or it might be the other way around, so it would behoove us to always be receptive to having our minds opened when we least expect.

Well, that was the point at the time. Trying to lose extra fat.

I found that too few calories, ie. not eating enough, can actually slow down metabolism, because the body thinks it's in a famine and hangs on to every calorie. Some people are overweight because they eat too much, but others are overweight because they have sluggish metabolisms from not eating enough.

"Were you eating sprouted beans?" Nope.

Ah, so cooked beans then?

By 100% raw vegan, I was referring to only raw foods; meaning nothing cooked at all.

I found this woman's story very inspiring. What impressed me was that she had already been a vegan for many years, but was still overweight. When she 100% eliminated all cooked foods, the weight just dropped off, even though she was eating a lot of food.

http://rawfoods.purejeevan.com/wendi-dee...oodist.php

No, I meant the fact that I am always hungry no matter what I do. The only exception is when using the ECA stack, which is unsustainable.

What's that? A medication?

I'm convinced that facing this as the catalyst that it is and looking into the metaphysical side of the issue, I will finally resolve it.

I agree that the metaphysical aspect must always be resolved first. I think physical things can then do their part afterwards.

Good luck!