In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

Yes, but animals are much further along in the process of individuation. Why do I think that? I have offered extensive explanations throughout this thread.

I'm not sure it really matters which is further along in the process. But I agree, let's let it go.

I wasn't suggesting that we let it go, but of course you can if you wish.

I feel it does matter, and matters greatly.

Just as the difference between a dog and child matters, the difference between a cow and a plant matters.

Fair enough. Can you accept that it's possible to do it with compassion?

Yes. BUT, I would only consider it compassion if the act was truly necessary.

Do you feel compassion for the carrots you harvest from your garden?

Love, yes. Gratitude, yes. Joy, yes.

Compassion, no.

Why? Because they aren't suffering. Compassion is something we extend to an entity who is suffering.

It depends on the homeowner, doesn't it?

Yes indeed, as Monkey so clearly pointed out.

I realize now I was making an assumption: That most people who have dogs actually care about them. I see I was wrong.

So my example only works if the person cares more for his dog than for his, say, bed or couch...ie. the dog is more than just a possession, but is actually loved.

Now, for those people - the ones who consider their dogs to be part of their family - Let's say they love plants too. I challenge anyone to find me a person (other than Monkey) who would save the plant before saving the dog.