04-30-2012, 07:17 PM
(04-30-2012, 07:04 PM)Valtor Wrote: Yes. Now finding a human who truly believes it is ok to kill humans is not going to be easy.
Many entities who think it's ok to kill other humans, are indeed polarizing - to STS.
(04-30-2012, 07:04 PM)Valtor Wrote: I respectfully disagree. IMHO polarizing is 100% dependent on intent and context.
I believe the Ra material supports my claims on this subject.
Yes, that's true. What, then, is the context of continuing to support the torture and slaughter of sentient beings, when it's not necessary?
One who is truly ignorant won't polarize from such support, but those who are consciously aware of what they're doing...their polarity will be affected. How could it not? To be presented with an opportunity to have compassion and reduce suffering, and turn one's back on that opportunity...would be depolarizing.
(04-30-2012, 07:04 PM)Valtor Wrote: I understand the difficulty in this. It is indeed a potent catalyst by itself on the path of acceptance.
I feel understood.

(04-30-2012, 07:04 PM)Valtor Wrote: I understand this. But still according to Ra the simple act of giving an opinion is judging. So in this context, we are all judging each others here. From my experience, this is more so in this thread than in any other I read on this site so far.
I don't recall Ra saying that. But if Ra did indeed say that, then that would mean Ra was judging too, and Q'uo too, for they did offer opinions.
Ra did say that service to others is the determining factor in harvestability. Animal activists are trying to serve others. If some people feel 'judged' by their service, it's coming from within, not from the animal activists.
The reason I say this, is because we are trying to free the oppressed. We aren't trying to control anyone. We just want to free the oppressed! We cannot refrain from doing that, because that would be declining an opportunity to answer a call for service.
(04-30-2012, 07:04 PM)Valtor Wrote: We can choose to not participate in the money system. It's a very difficult decision to make, but we can. If I chose this myself, I would hurt all my loved ones so I do not.
Exactly. But it wouldn't hurt anyone to quit eating meat. In fact, it would actually help...it would help the person by improving health, it would help the environment, and it would actually help promote sustainability on the planet overall. (Oh yeah, and as an aside, it would help the animals.)
(04-30-2012, 07:04 PM)Valtor Wrote: Each of us have our own path and our own set of biases to work with.
Oh so true!
(04-30-2012, 07:04 PM)Valtor Wrote:(04-30-2012, 06:43 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I find this amazing. Let's try this with humans substituted:
I feel a lot of subtle judgments on both sides of the argument and I seriously believe that this brings more negativity to Earth than killing innocent children in wars ever could.
The killing of innocent children in wars comes directly from the act of judgment. Without judgment, there is acceptance. With acceptance there are no disagreements. And without disagreements there are no wars.
OK, but your statement was that judgment was more harmful than the actual killing. When applied to humans, does that still hold true?