In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

Hmm. You certainly questioned what I'd feel if I killed someone.

I did the same thing awhile back, with someone else, and I know what my motivation was at the time. I was quite certain the person would feel something, so I asked the question in exactly the same way, hoping to trigger some response in the other person.

Here's why I'm questioning whether participation in this thread makes any sense. Monica, if I understand you, you're saying that eating meat once consciously aware is depolarizing. I disagree, but I don't have any evidence to suggest that anything I or anyone else posts could possibly convince you otherwise. So what's the point? It's not really a dialog but rather a continual restating of positions.

It's not about 'winning' a debate. Nor is it about 'convincing' anyone of anything. It's about exchanging ideas, and learning from others.

If your mind is made up, then you're right: there is no point for you to continue discussing. Discussions are for those who are interested in expanding their understanding by considering other perspectives. If you feel there is no value for you in reading the thoughts of vegetarians, but are here only to try to convince us to change, then you're right: there is no point.

The vegetarians are driven by something else, so for us, there is a point.

I invite you to consider that there might be value in the exploration of ideas, rather than viewing it as an effort to convert someone to one's own stance. Stance can change, but first the mind must be open to other perspectives. Then it might happen naturally. We can all learn and grow from one another; we needn't dig in our heels on this or that stance.

Having said that, I will tell you honestly, my stance on the killing of animals won't change. I am upfront about that. And I am acutely aware that, after 3 years, there has been very little change in stance from any of the meat-eating participants. So clearly, there must be some other value in this for me, other than expecting anyone to change. If I expect anyone to change, I will be disappointed. In my belief, service must be offered without any expectation of return.

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My opinion on this is that judgement is catalyst for the mind, whereas eating is catalyst for the body.

Why do you seem to always leave out the killing part?