In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

I detected a difference in viewpoint that to me seems central to the discussion.

ALL choices that I make in this incarnation are based on my sincere belief in this statement: "Judgement is at the root of ALL negativity. There can be no negativity without Judgement".

Monica, if I understood you properly, you do not agree with that statement ?

No, I don't agree with it, because so many other things are left out. Like fear. Like catalyst. Like the positive aspect of judgment: discernment. Like really defining what the word means in this context. Like so many things, it would take its own thread to explore. But even that is irrelevant, because my main disagreement had to do with your application of that concept.

Even if your statement is true - that judgment is at the root of all negativity - then it still is being misapplied, in my opinion. You said, if I remember correctly, that the judgment on this thread was worse than the negativity from eating meat.

To me, that is the equivalent of saying "discussing the problem of war, murder, and other heinous crimes, while explaining why we think they are wrong and trying to find solutions to those problems, is worse than the heinous crimes themselves."

I find that completely untrue. In order to do anything about anything negative, we must first identify it as such. That is a form of judgment better called discernment, and it plays a very important role in the process of making better choices and facilitating change.

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Monica, I am sorry to see you twisting this to the point where the discussion is about a totally different topic than it was originally. This is not the first time you are making this twist, and I suppose it will not be the last time.

I'm not twisting anything. You explained a concept. Concepts should still work, when they are applied to different situations.

You said:

once the 2d animal oversouls decide that they no longer need to experience what they currently do, they wont. Simple as that. But their service is a valuable one here, one that is needed for them AND for humans as well. Without all this negativity, the world would not start to wake up finally.

It is only cruel if one manages to snuck some "but but life is all there is, afterlife does not really count" belief system into this. Feel free to do so, I wont take that away from anyone. Personally, I would not hurt any animal, and start to get remorse for insects as well. But that is my choice and my choice only, nobody gets to make that decision for me. Same goes for everyone else with their choices and their feelings about those.

There are 4 concepts found here, in your words:

1. When an entity no longer needs to experience whatever it is they're experiencing, they will no longer experience it. <<== This should apply to humans too, right?

2. We need negativity to wake up. <<== In that case, then why bother to ever try to do anything positive at all?

3. Killing another being is only cruel if death was really death, but since death doesn't really matter, then killing isn't cruel. <<== Then this should apply to humans too. Either the concept works, or it doesn't.

4. We get to choose whatever we want, and no one should try to influence our choice. <<== Does that include hurting another? Whatever happened to "my freedom ends where another's begins"?

These are concepts. I simply substituted humans for animals, to see if the concepts still work.

They don't. Which, in my opinion, means that the concepts aren't sound to begin with. If they were sound, then we should be able to apply them in other situations and they should still work.

Personally, I still believe that lightening up our world, eliminating the need to point at each other globally

OK so we're supposed to be lightening up the world, but pointing at each other is bad, right? But knowingly contributing, and even defending, the torture of billions of animals on a daily basis, is somehow ok??

Can someone please explain that to me?