05-01-2012, 01:46 PM
(05-01-2012, 12:43 PM)Diana Wrote:(05-01-2012, 12:07 PM)Valtor Wrote: Thank you Diana,
Please, allow me to expand on my views of judgment.
You're welcome. I like to hear your viewpoints.
(05-01-2012, 12:43 PM)Diana Wrote:(05-01-2012, 12:07 PM)Valtor Wrote: Judgment certainly has its place. But judgment is only useful for the self. You judge what is good and bad for you. The self decides what is "right" and what is "wrong" for the self.
Negativity is created when we try to apply our judgment to another self.
You mean when we judge what is appropriate for another human? I agree. We can give advice when solicited, spread awareness, but being attached to the outcome is where the line is crossed, for both the self and the other.
Yes.
(05-01-2012, 12:43 PM)Diana Wrote:(05-01-2012, 12:07 PM)Valtor Wrote: "If someone came into your home with intent to harm you and your family, would you just let them, just be?"
I am not nearly balanced enough to witness this without reacting. If I were, I would probably not be in 3d.
I hear you. I am not evolved enough for that either.
However, aren't we in 3D to make choices? If we were here to just be and witness, making choices doesn't make sense. Maybe you could help me see this better?
Indeed, making choices is the whole point of 3d. May I suggest that there are ultimately only 2 choices which can be made. Either to accept that which is or to try to change it. Accepting your other selves as they are or trying to change them to better fit what you believe would be best for them.
Ra stated that even subjective acceptance gives rise to greater freedom and that knowing, even subjective knowing, is not of this density. This means that even if understanding generally comes before acceptance, you can take a big shortcut and step directly to acceptance even without understanding. That is the meaning of subjective acceptance.
Like Oldern said, if we could all manage to reach this state of subjective acceptance, nearly all the issues (karma) and negativity we experience on Earth would stop.
IMHO, this is what is happening, this is the process of transitioning from 3d to 4d. It's the fastest way to remove all disharmony. Or we can wait for 4d to come and with it understanding will come and then acceptance and then harmony.
(05-01-2012, 12:43 PM)Diana Wrote:(05-01-2012, 12:07 PM)Valtor Wrote: "What would be the value in that, other than to indulge the perpetrator?"
The value is unconditional love and acceptance of that which is.
And yet, there is still choice, rather than just witness. You may be loving and accepting the perpetrator's choices, but are you loving and accepting your loved one's choices (your hypothetical family being attacked)? Your wife (hypothetical wife) may have defended you in a past life and now it is karmically balancing for you to reciprocate. You son (hypothetical son) may have a lesson in abandonment and needs you to step in. We don't know what others' paths are.
Of course you have to be who you are for your experience to be useful to the One Infinite Creator.
Regarding Karma, I prefer to release it (via forgiveness) instead of balancing it in the way you described.
(05-01-2012, 12:43 PM)Diana Wrote:(05-01-2012, 12:07 PM)Valtor Wrote: "You participate out of compassion for your family, yet you dislike it. The dislike is judgment."
I do my best not to apply this judgment to other selves. Like I said, people seem to be perfectly fine with the concept of money and so I accept this.
I may share the judgment (opinion) I made on money with my other selves, but I will not tell them that it's "wrong" to use money. I cannot and do not want to decide what is wrong for them.
I understand. I agree with this.
In this thread, no one is telling others what they are doing is "wrong." It seems that way to some, but what is happening here is we are discussing the subject of eating meat and its implications. In order to discuss it, we say what we think about it. How can we talk about it without expressing our opinions?
I feel we are spreading awareness, from every perspective here. I have said more than once that my awareness has been expanded. I hope we can continue to explore what is obviously a very emotional and volatile subject (suggesting that it needs exploring and shone light upon).
IMHO it all comes down to the way we express ourselves. But we cannot communicate with words without misunderstandings. 3d is of words to allow misunderstandings and so allow freewill to reign supreme. It makes us free to understand what we want to from those words. Otherwise, there would be no choice and only harmony.