05-02-2012, 01:16 PM
(05-01-2012, 10:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(05-01-2012, 07:05 PM)Valtor Wrote: I would agree with you that successfully living by 6d values in 3d is not realist. But I see no problem in trying.
I would agree if we were talking about 4D love, or even 5D wisdom. But 6D unity - the merging of the polarities so there is no longer any right and wrong - would seem to negate the purpose of 3D, which is Choice.
We're supposed to choose when in 3D.
That depends on how you interpret STO. For me STO is STA, service-to-all. The way I see it, a well balanced STO wanderer in 3d would be around 51% STO. There is no point for a 5d or 6d wanderer to repeat 4d and bring STO to nearly 100% to just latter have to balance this again with wisdom.
(05-01-2012, 10:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(05-01-2012, 07:05 PM)Valtor Wrote: I already said that I believe animals (and plants for that matter) should be treated with compassion, just like humans.
But I also believe this to be a different debate than eating meat per se.
Then the crux of the matter is:
Is it possible to have compassion for animals and still kill and eat them?
or
Is it compassionate to animals to let someone else kill them, and maybe even torture them, so that we can eat them?
"Is it possible to have compassion for animals and still kill and eat them?"
I do not even kill flies or spiders at home, I just bring them outside. Because there is no need to kill them.
So I would say yes here.
"Is it compassionate to animals to let someone else kill them, and maybe even torture them, so that we can eat them?"
If those handling these animals were to ask my opinion, I would certainly tell them that I would prefer animals were treated with compassion.
(05-01-2012, 10:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Killing and eating cannot be separated, for the simple reason that the animal must be killed in order to eat it. Thus, if we are eating it, then we are at least partially responsible for its death.
And, the animal didn't want to die - that much is clear. So if we are responsible for its death, then what that means is that we overrode its free will to live, and stole its life.
"that much is clear"
You can't know that. And if so, it would also apply to plants.
(05-01-2012, 10:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(05-01-2012, 07:05 PM)Valtor Wrote: I understand this. It's simply that I sincerely do not believe that eating meat is the issue here.
What is the issue then?
The way these animals are treated.
(05-01-2012, 10:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(05-01-2012, 08:56 PM)Valtor Wrote: Lets assume for an instant that eating meat is an act that polarizes somewhat in the negative. Have you ever considered that all these animals are evolving much faster toward 3d because of what they go through in their short lives?
Sure.
But what sort of 3D?...
Exactly the one we live in.
(05-01-2012, 10:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(05-01-2012, 08:56 PM)Valtor Wrote: Kind of like us under the influence of the Elites, where we live about 90 years and our normal lifespan should be 900 years. We are evolving much faster because of this negativity.
You are forgetting one thing though: It is the task of the STS entities to provide the negative catalyst.
It's not our task to do that. Our task is to respond to catalyst in a positive way, not reinforce it.
Then those treating animals this way, if aware, are maybe the STS entities you're talking about.
"Our task is to respond to catalyst in a positive way"
Actually, our task is to respond to catalyst.