06-07-2012, 10:12 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-07-2012, 10:13 PM by JustLikeYou.)
I've re-examined the quotation, and I do not see that I am begging the question. Ra responds to Don without attempting to correct a distortion, so we must assume that the question was sufficiently undistorted to reply coherently. I'll have to ask you to explain further how the question is begged. It seems fairly straight-forward to me in 77.16. Ra says that polarity is gained in choice; Ra does not say that choice is gained. This implies that choice occurs in 3D and the polarity gained from this choice carries forward into later densities.
I'd also like to emphasize that I think your description of choice is an accurate description; however, it is a different kind that that depicted in Archetype 22. In 27.10, Ra says "In your illusion all experience springs from the Law of Free Will or the Way of Confusion." Here, free will is equated with the confusion brought about by the veiling. Because the veiling is what birthed the very concept of the STS and STO, it is evident that Ra is speaking of the "fuller" sense of free will which comes from its extension into the significators through the veiling process. Recall that the Logoi always viewed themselves as extending free will to their creations, but not all types of freedom were yet imagined. Polarity is the most recently imagined kind of free will. There is more than just this kind, though, and I think that anyone who has made contact with Intelligent Infinity and has known the feeling of acting in the full uniqueness of her moment-to-moment experience of the True Self which can be identified as a more primordial form of free will. I think it is this free will which you describe. The infinite free will of the Creator, and not the limited free will of the significator which is hidden from itself.
93.3
I think you misperceive Ra's usage of the word "judge". Consider 17.8, 26.8 and 56.3. In each of these quotations, Ra uses the word "judge" in its very specific moral sense: the judgment between good and evil, right and wrong. The evidence that this is the sense in which Ra uses the word is easily found within the quotation: 1. Ra's reference to "relative goodness" within a magnet and 2. the previous emphasis on "ethics", wherein this very specific concept of judgment is typically found.
The sense in which you seem to be reading the word "judge" seems to be the broader sense which means something like "determine" or "estimate", rather than "morally evaluate". Context suggests that Ra intends the specific meaning here. In 93.3, Ra is merely stating that neither STS nor STO can be determined to be either right or wrong. Both paths are acceptable.
When you play a game of chess, is there anything prohibiting you from firing a laser beam from your rook directly to the other person's king? If you do so, you are no longer playing chess. Ra refers to the lessons of other densities as overlays, yet when questioned as to the purpose of entering 3D as a wanderer, Ra answers that one of the primary motivations is to gain polarity -- which happens to be the purpose of 3D. You simply cannot play chess without choosing to be either white or black. You can learn lessons about the world outside the chess game while you play, but you must still follow the rules.
In the first place, you have disregarded my second suggested drawing, in which the circles overlap. The point of offering two drawings is to suggest that the depiction is an imperfect metaphor no matter which way you draw it.
As such, this oversimplifies the content of any particular action. There is an intertwining, an ebb and flow. The physical action is not the only aspect to be considered. There is also a spiritual component and a mental component. Which thought forms were used in choosing the action, and how were these thought forms approached by the mind? Was the deeper intent to give or to take? An action that seems simple may have a multitude of complicated motives. The work of 3D is to smooth out and simplify these complexities. Actions that were previously mixed must become more and more self-consistent.
To answer you more directly, I think any given action is often overlaid with a multitude of biases in both the positive and negative directions. However, in order to polarize, one must choose a path of evolution whose result is to slowly align this multitude of biases toward one polarity or another in order that one's actions become self-consistent. When this happens, one will naturally graduate from the current lesson, for one will have mastered the illusion. This slow act of polarizing is what Ra calls The Choice. The Choice, in macrocosm, is the instant that you decide which polarity you want to polarize toward. The Choice, in microcosm, is the choice you make every moment of the day between STS and STO, no matter where you are. Do you give or take? Do you accept or control? Do you serve others or the self? You do not have a third alternative. Within 3D, there are only two basic ways in which to serve the All, just as within chess, there is only white and black. The game will eventually end, but while it is in play, the rules are as they are.
I'd also like to emphasize that I think your description of choice is an accurate description; however, it is a different kind that that depicted in Archetype 22. In 27.10, Ra says "In your illusion all experience springs from the Law of Free Will or the Way of Confusion." Here, free will is equated with the confusion brought about by the veiling. Because the veiling is what birthed the very concept of the STS and STO, it is evident that Ra is speaking of the "fuller" sense of free will which comes from its extension into the significators through the veiling process. Recall that the Logoi always viewed themselves as extending free will to their creations, but not all types of freedom were yet imagined. Polarity is the most recently imagined kind of free will. There is more than just this kind, though, and I think that anyone who has made contact with Intelligent Infinity and has known the feeling of acting in the full uniqueness of her moment-to-moment experience of the True Self which can be identified as a more primordial form of free will. I think it is this free will which you describe. The infinite free will of the Creator, and not the limited free will of the significator which is hidden from itself.
93.3
Ra Wrote:It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.
I think you misperceive Ra's usage of the word "judge". Consider 17.8, 26.8 and 56.3. In each of these quotations, Ra uses the word "judge" in its very specific moral sense: the judgment between good and evil, right and wrong. The evidence that this is the sense in which Ra uses the word is easily found within the quotation: 1. Ra's reference to "relative goodness" within a magnet and 2. the previous emphasis on "ethics", wherein this very specific concept of judgment is typically found.
The sense in which you seem to be reading the word "judge" seems to be the broader sense which means something like "determine" or "estimate", rather than "morally evaluate". Context suggests that Ra intends the specific meaning here. In 93.3, Ra is merely stating that neither STS nor STO can be determined to be either right or wrong. Both paths are acceptable.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:There is nothing prohibiting us from working on fourth, fifth, or sixth density lessons while incarnated in 3D.
When you play a game of chess, is there anything prohibiting you from firing a laser beam from your rook directly to the other person's king? If you do so, you are no longer playing chess. Ra refers to the lessons of other densities as overlays, yet when questioned as to the purpose of entering 3D as a wanderer, Ra answers that one of the primary motivations is to gain polarity -- which happens to be the purpose of 3D. You simply cannot play chess without choosing to be either white or black. You can learn lessons about the world outside the chess game while you play, but you must still follow the rules.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:So then, according to your understanding and belief, it is impossible to take an action which is both "STO" and "STS" simultaneously?
In the first place, you have disregarded my second suggested drawing, in which the circles overlap. The point of offering two drawings is to suggest that the depiction is an imperfect metaphor no matter which way you draw it.
As such, this oversimplifies the content of any particular action. There is an intertwining, an ebb and flow. The physical action is not the only aspect to be considered. There is also a spiritual component and a mental component. Which thought forms were used in choosing the action, and how were these thought forms approached by the mind? Was the deeper intent to give or to take? An action that seems simple may have a multitude of complicated motives. The work of 3D is to smooth out and simplify these complexities. Actions that were previously mixed must become more and more self-consistent.
To answer you more directly, I think any given action is often overlaid with a multitude of biases in both the positive and negative directions. However, in order to polarize, one must choose a path of evolution whose result is to slowly align this multitude of biases toward one polarity or another in order that one's actions become self-consistent. When this happens, one will naturally graduate from the current lesson, for one will have mastered the illusion. This slow act of polarizing is what Ra calls The Choice. The Choice, in macrocosm, is the instant that you decide which polarity you want to polarize toward. The Choice, in microcosm, is the choice you make every moment of the day between STS and STO, no matter where you are. Do you give or take? Do you accept or control? Do you serve others or the self? You do not have a third alternative. Within 3D, there are only two basic ways in which to serve the All, just as within chess, there is only white and black. The game will eventually end, but while it is in play, the rules are as they are.